Snipers kits, STOP FREAKING USING THEM NOOBZ!!

[Punkbuster]

A few days ago I was playing on *NwA*, It was Al Basrah and I was squad leading on the British team, Most of my team was in mumble along with my squad, We had amazing teamwork, But the enemy team was even better!!
We couldn't move...
Anyway, We were stuck at the far south of the map near the bridge and we had built a FB base, We were trying to attack enemies north of us at the edge of the city and we were having hard time doing it, Then there is this noob who joins my squad and picks up a sniper kit... That's not it, The thing is we were trying to flank the enemies and attack them from the west side of the city while I coordinated with another squad on Mumble that they attack them from south to north...
So I went to flank and the sniper followed my squad... He was using his rifle for close quarter combat!
NOW THAT'S A NOOB!
I told him via VOIP, You have 10 seconds to change your kit or I will kick you from the squad, Then my whole squad started saying kick him.. I couldn't count to 10, I kicked him at 3

[mat552]

I told him via VOIP, You have 10 seconds to change your kit or I will kick you from the squad, Then my whole squad started saying kick him.. I couldn't count to 10, I kicked him at 3

So..you were impulsive and didn't give him a chance to follow your orders, and he's the noob?


Snipers and politicians in america have a lot in common. Their behavior is so bad because all of you aren't willing to correct their behavior yourself, you don't hold them to a better standard, you don't even treat them like human beings. It's US vs THEM.

If you beat someone with a stick enough times for having fun, don't be surprised when they never help you while they're trying to have fun.

Hope you lot enjoy contributing to your own vicious self-inflicted downward spiral. You hate them so they don't help you so you hate them so they don't help you...

Edit: There are tards, sure, but the level of hate is simply stunning for most people.

[Silly_Savage]

Nah brah, snipers are great.

[Zoddom]

So..you were impulsive and didn't give him a chance to follow your orders, and he's the noob?


Snipers and politicians in america have a lot in common. Their behavior is so bad because all of you aren't willing to correct their behavior yourself, you don't hold them to a better standard, you don't even treat them like human beings. It's US vs THEM.

If you beat someone with a stick enough times for having fun, don't be surprised when they never help you while they're trying to have fun.

Hope you lot enjoy contributing to your own vicious self-inflicted downward spiral. You hate them so they don't help you so you hate them so they don't help you...

you are totally right.
and gazzthompsonim a bit dissappointed.... i thought you would know better that the snipers efficiency depends on the player using it. and thats not an argument at all. if youve got somebody in your squad who would suck that hard with a sniper kit that you would kick him, you could also kick him if he used a normal kit, cause then he is a total noob.
if you know that you have to wait 2 seconds to be accurate with a normal rifle then you know that you need at least 6 secs with the sniper and THEN the sniper is still the most accurate and lethal weapon and there is no point in not having it in the squad (if its not needed elsewhere ofc, but that applies to each kit).

if you sniper-haters would give snipers more chances to proof their skill then you would have quite a bit more often a very good and accurate fire support.
(again, only if the snipers not needed in lasing or so ofc)

[gazzthompson]

you are totally right.
and gazzthompsonim a bit dissappointed.... i thought you would know better that the snipers efficiency depends on the player using it. and thats not an argument at all. if youve got somebody in your squad who would suck that hard with a sniper kit that you would kick him, you could also kick him if he used a normal kit, cause then he is a total noob.
if you know that you have to wait 2 seconds to be accurate with a normal rifle then you know that you need at least 6 secs with the sniper and THEN the sniper is still the most accurate and lethal weapon and there is no point in not having it in the squad (if its not needed elsewhere ofc, but that applies to each kit).

i said that.

"i know not all snipers are like it..."

snipers are not needed in my squad and dont suite my game style. and insta kick > letting the player use it and later kicking them due to not following my orders. ive played this game too long and my patience is far to thin to allow people to use the kit then get angry when they start running off getting on building rooftops or massive hills on the other side of the map nowhere near my squad as we move too fast for the bugger to keep up, its easier on me to just insta kick.

im rarely troubled by snipers, players in the bf2 engine shine to much and are easily spotable, with the small view distances my squad normally has no problem dealing with them. today i built a tow, sniper sniped a guy building it... popped smoke on TOW and revived the guy then used the smoke + thermals to TOW snipe the guy ontop of a building. i lol'd.

in my numerous years of playing PR , i cant remember a time ive had an effective sniper on my team. as a squad leader i am pretty much playing the game constantly looking at my map and seeing what other squads are doing/attempting to talk to other squad leaders and cant remember the last time i received intel off a friendly sniper.

[Zoddom]

well, the reason why this happens so often is, like mat552 said, the commonly low tolerance of sniper kits.
If they would not be insta flamed all the time, more skilled and experienced players would use them more often (applies to myself, sniped very often in the past, now, since the great "the snipers role" debate started, i dont want to be flamed all the time). shouting at the team to not take sniper kits does not make the better players take them before some noob gets it cause he gives a f*ck what you say. i hope you get my point)

edit:
im off now, its 5:05 in the morning now.

[Nebsif]

Meh, whats the big deal, a guy joined ur sq, took a kit and left, kthnxbb.. ur acting as if he bought it on ur money irl.
Played with a clan m8 on barracuda 2 days ago or so, we took snipah kit and SL, havent died once, found and reported 3 enemy FOBs.. was a good round. U just have to know on what map NOT to take sniper kit, like Asad Khal with it's 5m view range.
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[Hunt3r]

If one is trying to use a sniper as a long range, hard-hitting weapon, they're doing it wrong. Armor does the job far better.

Snipers should be FACs and recce assets, but no more.

[CallousDisregard]

If one is trying to use a sniper as a long range, hard-hitting weapon, they're doing it wrong. Armor does the job far better.

Snipers should be FACs and recce assets, but no more.

That's kind of a limited viewpoint isn't it ?
Tanks can't go everywhere and they are quite noisy as well as being high value targets.
Snipers, used properly, have their place in the game.
But they are rarely used properly...

Played with a clan m8 on barracuda 2 days ago or so, we took snipah kit and SL, havent died once, found and reported 3 enemy FOBs.. was a good round.

...for every time that happens, there are 25 times where the sniper team is useless, a drain on resources since those 1 or 2 people can make the difference in capping a flag.
When you look at the map and see somebody out of position, 9 times out of 10 it is a sniper who hasn't done jacksh for the team.
Experience teaches people to hate snipers in this game, not because we hate the kit or the role.

[mat552]

I will say, I do love sniper kits when facing someone like Gazz.

I know I can use the primal rage triggered by hearing the distinctive sound to lay a perfect trap, usually to the effect of five or six squadmembers who think they're going to teach a lonewolfing sniper a lesson, only after the trap is sprung do they realize the sniper was merely bait into a massive killbox, or just a pile of C4. If they aren't going to be reasonable, I'm going to use their prejudice to kill them, and in that role, the sniper is at an unparalleled advantage.

Does your ire for the ranged and patient extend to Marksmen as well?

[gazzthompson]

Mat552 , I have never ever fallen into a trap left by a sniper. I doubt i will as I engage them from range. Marksman ..I like the kit and allow it, but again it does not suit my play style most of the time so tend not to use it. Plus people mostly think of then selfs as sniper and after 10 mins I've lost control of them and have to remove them.

[LithiumFox]

When I enter a game, no matter what the sniper kit is usually the first kit to be taken. And nobody takes the far more useful engineer kit when theres no commander to report enemy positions. And most of the time, its the noobs who think the 5s1p3rz kit is l33t. Then, they end up wasting assets. STOP TAKING THEM NOOOOOOOOOOBS!!

So... um....

Yeah...

Obviously you haven't played PR that long as you joined Oct 2010. I've seen the sniper kit used well plenty of times.
Sounds like your just whining just to whine...

[Jamaican]

Looking at snipers from the other side, a few times my sqd has been messed up by a good enemy sniper, either taking some of us out with no medic support. Or just slowing us down by us having to revive sqd mates and keep our heads down. Basicly like any kit its only as good as the user.

[Gore]

how do i take sniper kit?

[Sgt. Mahi]

I find it laughable that people are so uptight when it comes to sniper kits. I couldn't care less if two people wander off with sniper kits in their hands. I have a bigger problems with three transport chopper pilots when there?s really only need for one. At least snipers interrupt/delay an enemy's mission when they engage them, three pilots back at main don't.

[WithoutPurpose]

how do i take sniper kit?

Alt-F4

I find it laughable that people are so uptight when it comes to sniper kits. I couldn't care less if two people wander off with sniper kits in their hands. I have a bigger problems with three transport chopper pilots when there?s really only need for one. At least snipers interrupt/delay an enemy's mission when they engage them, three pilots back at main don't.

^
This, I mean, if you don't like snipers, then don't bullsh*t about them, if you too "noob" to use it, don't bullsh*t about it. Mahi is right, I see more tards getting into a helicopter or some other transport like a Humvee or an 8-man transport truck and getting away with it.
I really got respect for this guy !

Btw; where is the OP? 4 pages of comments and not single answer from OP

[CallousDisregard]

how do i take sniper kit?

First you must dance naked beneath a full moon with goat's blood on your forehead.
Then you have to fill out a DD216/7a, permission to request a sniper's kit request form.
After that is processes you may enter the lottery to be assigned a kit as long as your DD214/8a form has been properly updated.

[Wicca]

I usually play on PRTA.

Whenever a guy in my squad take a kit i didnt allow them, i tell them to go back and take their original kit back. If they refuse they get warned for not following orders, if they then still wont follow orders they get kicked of the server for not following orders.

Its very gratifying to kick people who join the squad, take the sniper kit and leave the squad. Cause that really pisses me off.

Teamwork usually entails some sort of hiearchy and communication. Most snipers dont follow any hiearchy or communication.

So i react to them from my immense experience, ever since 0.6 snipers have been utterly useless, except for maybe once in a million.

// Wicca out

[Punkbuster]

So..you were impulsive and didn't give him a chance to follow your orders, and he's the noob?

I didn't lock the squad...
If he changed the kit he could have gotten back in the squad... The kick was to give him a message to not take a Sniper kit and run with it like an iraqi insurgent!

[doop-de-doo]

It's usually hard to incorporate a sniper into a regular infantry squad because most SLs have 1 problem: "How to use snipers." Not Sniporz, -- snipers. Where would he fit in with the squad's function?

If you join a tank squad and grab sniper, I will draw two conclusions.
1. You know what role the sniper plays in PR and are going to create a sniper squad.
2. You don't know how to play and I'm going to have to teach you. (There is a possibility that you aren't using VoIP and teaching anything is pretty much out of the question in that case.)