Snipers kits, STOP FREAKING USING THEM NOOBZ!!

[CallousDisregard]

SO WHY interfere gameplay by kicking one with a limited specialist kit which needs 10 minutes to be requestable again??? youre not benefiting the team at all with such actions.

see below....

But if you ignore your team, for the sake of your own "good time" Then GTFO ..

nuff said.

It seems plain enough to me.
I think part of the problem is that some people pay for and control servers and some people don't.
The people that don't seem to feel that their feelings are more important.
Sniper kits attract certain kinds of people and in my limited experience 95% of those kinds of people are ineffectual to say the least and leaves the 5% out in the cold.
On the other hand, that 5% usually doesn't have a problem getting or using the kit and so doesn't need any special consideration.
So in the end, we will continue to hate on and discriminate against sniper types.
Perhaps you could appeal to the UN ?

[Kain888]

Snipers are now much more useful as the wounded cost ticket and there are mortars. I like and find useful to have proper recon squad or cas spotter.

And if someone is not following orders just report him.

[Zoddom]

This discussion has no point.
The sniper haters are argueing with the things which compose a sniper kit. long range fire, which means you dont have to be directly in the fight, lethal damage and accuracy, which means its the best small arm ingame, GLTD, which means you can lase positions at or behind the frontline for CAS missions. all this means you dont have to stick with the team to be benefiting itself.
seeing a sniper lonewolfing somewhere doesnt mean hes not doing his job, cause you dont see enemy units on the map, do you? the snipers operational range is huge, so sticking with the team close behind the frontline would be a waste of ressources. on the biggest maps a sniper can easily overwatch 9 map sectors and lase every enemy unit he spots in this area.
just leave a sniper alone then youre not interfering his operations.
if you need him, ask him. he cant know everything, hes not a god.
and all in all, its just another kit, so why mad? there are skills wasted much worse so WHY did you chose the sniper kit to flame at?

edit:
im glad to see you here sharps.

[CallousDisregard]

Maybe it is because snipers are not all that useful on the whole and that judgement comes from many hours of playing, not from following the sniper.
A quick look at his score will tell you if he is hitting anything and watching chat or listening to Mumble will tell you if he is providing recon or lase markers.
IF the sniper is in the CAS squad, the presumption is that he IS doing his job as a spotter but far too often the sniper is not in a position to hit anything and isn't providing any useful intel.
The more you defend them and the more you attack those who don't like them the more you sound just like the useless wanna-be types who put their kit above the needs of the team or the squad.

[Wicca]

i like the PRTA server, theres always a good teamplay there.
But reading your posts wicca definately makes me feel threatened.

There is a reason the server has good teamplay.

When my friend was still at home, we always made a sniper squad on every server. well, we locked the squad, one took a sniper kit and the other one had to join a different squad because of squad limitations. If i wouldve join youre squad and wouldve asked you to grad a sniper and leave for the sniper squad and YOU wouldve said no.... well then i wouldve joined another squad, waiting 2 minutes till im able to pick the kit.

So you think its bad with me telling you what to do, seeing as im the Squadleader? If im the squadleader, that means i decide what my squad needs to benefit the team best. If you join my squad and ask for the sniper kit, id ask you what you would do with it and where you would go. If your answers were satisfactory i would give you the kit. If not, then join another squad.

Just because Snipers fit within a certain category of act, doesnt mean that you should stop reading my posts properly:

If they take any kit and leave the squad. They are kicked off the server.

Thats just the way i roll.

If they join my squad, ask for a kit they are going to use in another squad for bla bla. Then thats a different story.

Sorry if i didnt make it clear, im not unreasonable, i just enjoy some respect and good manners ingame. And i also enjoy the disipline and roleplay.

// Wicca out

[Smiddey723]

I don't know, but somehow I hate ALL administrators, they're just normal people just like us, they just take advantage of the "power" they have in-game but not in reallife.

so you would prefer it if we were not here and let everyone do what ever they wanted, eh

[Zoddom]

Sorry if i didnt make it clear, im not unreasonable, i just enjoy some respect and good manners ingame. And i also enjoy the disipline and roleplay.

it is clear to me. I know how you feel when someone joins your squad and "steals" a kit.
But if you look at it open-minded: theres no difference if someone just joins your squad and leaves and if someone joins the squad grabs a kit you wont need anyway and leaves, or am i wrong? it might make you feel betrayed but then you should also feel betrayed if someone just joins and leaves but then you dont know WHY he leaves.
so you dont kick cause its a bad manner or something. you kick him because hes taking a sniper kit. thats in fact the only reason.

[CallousDisregard]

I'd like to see admins get paid because w/o them PR can easily turn into COD tardfest.

it is clear to me. I know how you feel when someone joins your squad and "steals" a kit.
But if you look at it open-minded: theres no difference if someone just joins your squad and leaves and if someone joins the squad grabs a kit you wont need anyway and leaves, or am i wrong? it might make you feel betrayed but then you should also feel betrayed if someone just joins and leaves but then you dont know WHY he leaves.
so you dont kick cause its a bad manner or something. you kick him because hes taking a sniper kit. thats in fact the only reason.

You really don't get it.
If you need to join and then leave a squad to getthe sniper kit that means you are alone ( only 2 needed to get sniper kit) and if you are lonewolfing a sniper kit and don't have the basic courtesy to ask/inform the SL what you are doing then it is very likely you are going to waste the kit.

[Wicca]

if people just joins and leaves my squad for no reason. I do get sad.

oh well....



im sad now

[Nebsif]

"waste" the kit no longer really applies, I can run with a HAT kit in the middle of a fallujah and it will be better for my team than running with a scoped m16.

[Wicca]

i dont think thats the point nebsif..

A m16 without a scope does not promote long range firefights. It Promotes CQB. In CQB being more is better than being one. Cause you cant look in a 100 directions at once, but as a sniper, you only rely on yourself to look in one.

The point is, if you have a kit that has an insane scope, and bolt/semi action. You wont be in the front or around anyone who can give away your position.

With a Semi automatic/burst action rifle, you have to rely on others to ensure your flanks are coverd, since the time it takes to turn your rifle left or right, will affect your deviation.

// Wicca out

[Zoddom]

i dont think thats the point nebsif..

A m16 without a scope does not promote long range firefights. It Promotes CQB. In CQB being more is better than being one. Cause you cant look in a 100 directions at once, but as a sniper, you only rely on yourself to look in one.

The point is, if you have a kit that has an insane scope, and bolt/semi action. You wont be in the front or around anyone who can give away your position.

With a Semi automatic/burst action rifle, you have to rely on others to ensure your flanks are coverd, since the time it takes to turn your rifle left or right, will affect your deviation.

// Wicca out

then whats the problem in lonewolfing with a sniper?

and btw callousdisregard, i think YOU dont get MY point. You cant request the same kit twice in one squad, so if you wanna make a sniper squad ONE of the snipers has to be requested in a different squad. so if he does in your squad it doesnt automatically mean hes lonewolfing, which additionally doesnt mean that he is wasting the kit.
that is a fact and if you say its not youre wrong.
i tell you some secret: if a sniper is NOT lonewolfing and sticking with a whole squad where hes forced to move with them and probably forced in low range firefights, THEN the kit is wasted.
if hes lonewolfing hes got a much higher mobility and thats whats important for a sniper to stay alive.

[karambaitos]

it is clear to me. I know how you feel when someone joins your squad and "steals" a kit.
But if you look at it open-minded: theres no difference if someone just joins your squad and leaves and if someone joins the squad grabs a kit you wont need anyway and leaves, or am i wrong? it might make you feel betrayed but then you should also feel betrayed if someone just joins and leaves but then you dont know WHY he leaves.
so you dont kick cause its a bad manner or something. you kick him because hes taking a sniper kit. thats in fact the only reason.

its about the principles and that's it.
If someone comes to your house and takes a TV you never used or planned to use.
Would you be alright with that???

[Zoddom]

its about the principles and that's it.
If someone comes to your house and takes a TV you never used or planned to use.
Would you be alright with that???

OMG have you payed for that sniper kit or what??? TELL ME



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close now please, theres no point in discussing

[Thermis]

Rant thread, provide feedback in the appropriate section, ranting about something you don't like does nothing.

Locked.