Special Air Service Tactics

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Yett71
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Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Yett71 »

Now your probably thinking before you clicked this thread, that some 12 year old fan of Call of Duty created this thread because he thinks the SAS are cool and badass and you probably think that this person is going to rant about how cool the SAS are...
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A SAS soilder with a HK MP5, with the "black kit" on and a S10 Respirator.
Well your wrong kinda.

Im 17 years old and i have been playing Project Reality for around 1 - 2 months now. I love it, exactly what i was looking for, i used to play Call of Duty but i started hating it because its not realistic and i wanted a realistic game, so around 1 year ago i bought operation flash point, which turned out to be rather a disappointment.

I then saw Arma 2, but my PC couldn't run it, so then i tried project reality and loved it. Exactly what i was looking for.

Anyway onto the subject of SAS tactics. For around 4 years now, i have been interested in the SAS and how they operate, they really amaze me, There are a few highly trained Special Forces units in the world such as Navy Seals, Delta, SAS, JTF2, Royal Parachute Regiment, GSG 9, Australian and New Zealand S.A.S, GROM, SANDF, Green Berrets and these units are all worthy of being called the best. However the SAS and SBS of Great Britain are generally regarded by most military experts to be the best in the world.

This is because:
1) They have more experience than any other SF regiment in the world.
2) Nearly all SF have been modelled upon them and trained by them including JTF2 and Delta.
3) They have the toughest selection program on the planet.
4) SAS/SBS soldiers are hand picked veteran soldiers mainly from the Royal Parachute Regiment and Royal Marines Commandos which are all ready very tough regiments.
5) They have the longest training programs.
6) They have an extremely good track record.
7) They are the oldest SF in the world.


Ive watched a lot of videos and read a lot of books about the SAS, another army which also interests me is the IDF.
After 2 years of looking up SAS stuff and how they work i learnt a lot of there tactics and some of these tactics i also learnt are used in the JTF2 and Delta forces, which are trained upon SAS.

Early this month, i started a squad and started to use some of these SAS tactics, and my squad mates also picked up my orders and started to use these tactics too.. there was some things we couldn't do, but most of the stuff we could do was extremely effective and worked a lot. Some things which were most effective was before attacking a flag we would sit and just watch for around 14 minutes and see what everyone was doing and where they were heading then we had what the SAS call a 'Chinese Parliament' which is discussion among a group of soldiers, regardless of rank everyone gets an equal say, to agree a plan or course of action.

We marked each side of the building we were assaulting with a color, the front was 'White' the left was 'Red' and the Right was 'Green' and the back was 'Black' they do this in the SAS because it is much easier to communicate in a firefight instead of saying 'The front of the building', because you dont know what is the front of the building because it may vary depending on the persons location, therefore marking it with these colors makes it easy as you can say 'Tango white side, 4th Floor'.

In this case the building we were assaulting was full with around 5 - 7 enemies, we had watched the building for a good 10 minutes and we managed to spot at least 5 enemies who were stationary and seemed to be defending the building.

Once we had planned our course of action we carried it out, in this case 2 members of the team would go down to 'Red' side, and two would go to 'Green Side' the other 2 would cover white and black side, from the outside to make sure there was no enemies would escape.

This strategy turned out very effective, we also used SAS tactics whilst raiding the building which consists of someone throwing a flash-bang into the rooms marked as hostile when we were spotting it earlier. The people covering white and black side had there binoculars and they were telling us movements in enemies and where they were heading, it turned out most of the 7, ran to the roof and all set up a defensive permitter, we had cleared the building up to the floor before the roof. We knew there was 5 people left on the roof, and we had killed 2 people so far. The two spotting, told us what they were doing and as there was 4 of us, and 5 enemies on the roof, we had to think fast. 2 of our squad threw up a grappling hook onto the roof, and at this time the people spotting open fired onto the roof to suppress them, they managed to kill one guy and they all dropped to the floor for cover, then we had two people climb up the grappling hooks and the other two went up the stairs to the roof, the enemy looked so shocked of what was happening they just fired there guns at anything, which was mainly walls. We managed to kill all the enemies on the roof, with only one minor injury which we healed, it was a complete success and we were proud of it.

Of course it was very hard as a squad leader trying to tell people these tactics, and there was limited tactics i could really tell them in a match, so we didnt do everything we could off, to make sure it was a success as you probably realized they was a lot of things which could of gone wrong in this strategy, and this was mainly because i couldn't really teach everyone 2 years of knowledge of SAS tactics in 10 minutes. However what tactics i did teach went extremely well, and it was very fun.

Which brings me onto my next point. Do you think it would be a good or a bad idea, to start a clan or a group which is based on SAS and Special forces tactics? I maybe could write loads of articles about special forces and SAS tactics and people could learn them, and then we could all play and use them together. However im still new at the game and i am learning it quite fast so if you did think this was a good idea, i would probably start it in around june time in 2011.

Thanks for reading all of this :D
and happy new year :D
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WithoutPurpose
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by WithoutPurpose »

To be honest, I don't believe that the British SAS got the toughest selection program or that they have the most experience.
There is no official meaning of 'being the toughest', I can say that a guy who has beaten up two other guys is 'though'.
Looking at the USA, I can say that the marines are quite though because they're sent out to war with the 'sh*ttiest' weapons and tehcnology while the USSOCOM and similar are sent out with a gun with thousand of scopes and high-tech things.

Just give me an official source wich states all these facts.

Also; how can the SAS have the most experience when they're not that much sent out to war, atleast not in big numbers. I don't know sure how many of them were sent into Afghanistan and Iraq.

SAS soldiers, or in general; most western armies, are not being dealth with a hierarchy among the soldiers like they do in ex-soviet states, I've never seen something similar to it.


But anyway, I like what you're doing, I also try to do these 'special ops' things in PR, mosttime they fail though, PR is about skill and luck. You would have to do more of these tactics to see if they actually work in PR.
I would like to join your 'group' if you'd make one :-)
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by sweedensniiperr »

I believe there is already a clan/group that wears the tag "SAS". However, I don't think it means Special Air Service iirc.
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Yett71
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Yett71 »

Hmmm.. i think you missed the point of this. Im not trying to say the SAS are the best, im trying to say there my favorite Special Forces, and i use there tactics in game :S
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by PatrickLA_CA »

You mean fastropes? Ye I use them ingame too :P :P :P
SAS were my favourite unit until I saw the USAF :D , Well you can start a clan that will use their tactics but however in PR CQB, best bet is the spray'n'pray so their tactics won't be really useful, for long range battles(there are none because of the view distance) you don't have all those ghillies and camouflage suits.......
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Ninja2dan »

Quick note:
...and a Kevlar helmet
Your photo is mislabeled, as he clearly is not wearing a k-pot. Just thought you'd like to know.



Because this topic is in relation to a Special Operations unit, which is not covered in PR, I honestly don't see why it was posted in the PR General discussion section. I can see that you have posted some "information" on how you have attempted to use what you consider as SpecOps tactics while playing PR, but I don't think that counts directly as being PR-related. I'm guessing this topic should be moved to the Off-topic section for that reason.


We would also prefer not to see "versus" discussions brought up, especially from those not directly related to the topic and having first-hand verifiable experience or reliable sources of reference. Generally such topics turn into a bunch of idiots yelling at each other and foaming at the mouth like rabid monkeys about a topic they honestly know little about. And no, Wikipedia is not a reliable source.


While I do have a huge amount of respect for the SAS and the British Army in general, I honestly can't say they are "the best". There are a lot of very highly-skilled and capable Special Operations units from nations all around the world, and in most cases each one tends to specialize in a certain aspect more so than the others. It's like trying to argue if sex is better with blondes or brunettes: You can't simply say one is better than the other.


Of last note, Special Operations units (regardless of nation) are set to operate under completely different doctrines and tactics as conventional regular ground forces. SpecOps are actually used primarily in unconventional warfare, or used in roles not preferred by use of a normal infantry/etc unit.

PR is oriented towards combined-arms conventional warfare or non-specialized insurgency operations. In other words, the common tactics of most SpecOps units are going to have a much smaller use in PR than using regular infantry and combined-arms tactics. Because this isn't like Call of Duty or other fictional shooters, sneaking around at night in all-black gear like wannabe ninjas and using suppressors and dart guns doesn't fit within the PR realm.





It's good that you have an interest in the SAS, and I encourage you to study their history and enjoy what you learn. But if you try mixing SAS-like ideas with PR, I think you'll be sadly disappointed.
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

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@Yett, You got xfire, icq, skype? would like to play some rounds with you :)
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Cheditor »

I generally wouldn't call these "SAS" tactics just more common sense. I would not say any of these tactics are put down to special forces training at all.
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Thermis »

Wrong section.

Moving to tactics section.
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WithoutPurpose wrote:To be honest, I don't believe that the British SAS got the toughest selection program or that they have the most experience.
They have the lowest Pass rate of any other Unit & a large amount of other Special Forces are based off them, Delta force ASAS etc.

Also Without Purpose you won't find any Source on SAS/SBS deployments - they're what we call secret, the point is people aren't really meant to know what the SAS get up to ;) in most cases even their family don't know where they're going.

Comparing Special Forces on the internet is just going to result in e penis swinging so should be stopped anyway.

@ Ninja blonde or brunette doesn't matter - which ever one does horse riding ;)
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Yett71
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Yett71 »

Unfortunately everyone has the wrong idea in this post. I blame that on me as i didnt make it clear enough.

The SAS are the Best in my opinion as there my favorite. Thats a opinion, not a fact, tbh every special forces is great, but the SAS are the best imo. :D

The tactics i used are some tactics the SAS used, but the main idea of the thread was to ask ppl if they would be interested in a clan which was based around special forces tactics.


I dont wanna run around like a ninja :D Like on call of duty, thats not the idea. :P

Special forces are used for designated mission like to destroy something or to kill a target, that would be the idea in my clan. Destroy some armor, or capture and defend something, all the special ops roles.

and in reply, i just realized he isnt wearing a Kevlar :o Opps. Its just they usually wear them, i didnt pay attention to the picture. :D
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

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lucky.BOY wrote:@Yett, You got xfire, icq, skype? would like to play some rounds with you :)
Unfortunately im only using Steam at the moment. :S

im Yett71 on there.
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

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i cant find u on steam
WithoutPurpose
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by WithoutPurpose »

Herbiie wrote:They have the lowest Pass rate of any other Unit & a large amount of other Special Forces are based off them, Delta force ASAS etc.

Also Without Purpose you won't find any Source on SAS/SBS deployments - they're what we call secret, the point is people aren't really meant to know what the SAS get up to ;) in most cases even their family don't know where they're going.

Comparing Special Forces on the internet is just going to result in e penis swinging so should be stopped anyway.

@ Ninja blonde or brunette doesn't matter - which ever one does horse riding ;)
Lowest pass rate doesn't mean that it's the hardest, it could be that the volunteers are just pussies too :-P
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Herbiie »

WithoutPurpose wrote:Lowest pass rate doesn't mean that it's the hardest, it could be that the volunteers are just pussies too :-P
People everywhere are the same though :P Still as I said there's no point in comparing special forces, no one here really knows much about them.
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Adetter »

Spetsnaz has a selection program that is not allowed in the states.
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Post by CallousDisregard »

It seems like it would be another drain on ingame assets.
People who try to adapt the game to them as opposed to adapting the circumstances in the game usually just waste assets.
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Re: Special Air Service Tactics

Post by Jigsaw »

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@OP, if you'd like to discuss the application of your tactics in-game then I would suggest that you create a thread dedicated to your ideas, for example for building clearance, without relating it directly to any special forces etc. As others have mentioned PR is quite specifically designed to avoid comparisons with special forces' actions and instead focuses on regular infantry and combined arms.
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