Replace Taliban/Hamas Spawning With Iraqi System

[ShockUnitBlack]

Went through about twenty pages worth of threads figuring this was a re-suggestion, didn't find anything. If I missed something, sorry.

Anyway, at this stage in PR's development, I still don't feel the Taliban and Hamas factions are anything more than BLUFOR-like factions given poorer equipment, no real armour, and a different objective, and as such, really aren't that unique.

The Iraqi Insurgents are way more unique with regards to their spawn mechanics - namely, they have no requestable kits and have a limited arsenal worth of pick-up heavy weapons. It's pretty clear where this is going I think, so I'll just spew it out - copy the Iraqi system and give it to the Taliban and Hamas, making insurgency significantly more different from the likes of AAS.

[WithoutPurpose]

Taliban and Hamas, the most Taliban, are actualy more advanced that you think, I don't think that they should have this system. I like it how it is now, I don't have trouble being a Taliban or some Blufor faction, I think it's pretty balanced now.

[tatne]

In my opinion it's just great that Hamas and Taliban has requestable kits!

[Hitperson]

the taliban are not just a civilian based millita but more of an organised gurillia army, i would have thought the same would apply to hamas.

[Cossack]

As Hitperson says. Iraqi have weapons, what they can find, but Taliban and Hamas is well funded.

[ZZEZ]

the taliban are not just a civilian based millita but more of an organised gurillia army, i would have thought the same would apply to hamas.

It apply to Hamas.

[Operator009]

Who would have guessed they'd use their opium money for weapons?

/sarcasm off

[Gore]

yea thx to us westerners drug habbits, their money is pouring in, making them able to keep fighting.

[seph567]

btw: How would turning Hamas/Taliban into Insurgent-clone make them more unique? Then Insurgents wouldn't be unique anymore?

[Jorgee!]

Taliban and Hamas are trained soldiers (not like Marines but trained)

Insurgents are....... insurgents

Search Wikipedia Insurgency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[goguapsy]

Hehe I like playing Taliban/Hamas when I wanna use good weapons and not real BLUFOR tactics (imagine a lone-wolf-BLUFOR which is actually effective).

[dtacs]

Lemme get this straight, you think those two factions aren't unique, yet you want to give them the same kit distribution system? Why destroy the unique systems of two other factions and make all three exactly the same?

Hamas and Taliban operating as cells is lethal. It gives them much more chance of winning the map as opposed to running around like headless chickens akin to the Insurgents (not to say they don't work for the aforementioned however). Part of that process is using specialist kits to employ different tactics, be it using an SVD for long range support or a HAT if armor is expected to be a problem.

Basically your suggestion lacks any real depth and there are a number of problems attributed to it. How would Tandem HAT's be distributed for the Taliban? What about alternate marksman kits? Would there just be a stupidly long line of kits that spawn on the cache? What kits would be available for pickup at main? How would a squad leader get an Officer if he accidentally spawned with an AK and needs to place a firebase? What if a squad needs a Scout yet the kit cannot be got without someone having to suicide?

If you genuinely want to have this suggestion put into the game which you clearly do if you're making the thread, develop it some more and give the developers a reason to consider this.

[Murphy]

It gives them much more chance of winning the map as opposed to running around like headless chickens akin to the Insurgents (not to say they don't work for the aforementioned however).

You know I never did get a chance to see our stunner gang until now, good times.

On Topic:

As if Blufor doesn't have enough of an advantage with weaponry as it is, nerfing an already disadvantaged faction will just make more BluFor stackers. There are already a slew of players who refuse to play the insurgent side for one reason or another, why alienate the rest of us who actually enjoy trolling marines with what little tactical advantages we can muster?

[ShockUnitBlack]

Lemme get this straight, you think those two factions aren't unique, yet you want to give them the same kit distribution system? Why destroy the unique systems of two other factions and make all three exactly the same?

Hamas and Taliban operating as cells is lethal. It gives them much more chance of winning the map as opposed to running around like headless chickens akin to the Insurgents (not to say they don't work for the aforementioned however). Part of that process is using specialist kits to employ different tactics, be it using an SVD for long range support or a HAT if armor is expected to be a problem.

Basically your suggestion lacks any real depth and there are a number of problems attributed to it. How would Tandem HAT's be distributed for the Taliban? What about alternate marksman kits? Would there just be a stupidly long line of kits that spawn on the cache? What kits would be available for pickup at main? How would a squad leader get an Officer if he accidentally spawned with an AK and needs to place a firebase? What if a squad needs a Scout yet the kit cannot be got without someone having to suicide?

If you genuinely want to have this suggestion put into the game which you clearly do if you're making the thread, develop it some more and give the developers a reason to consider this.

If I were doing kit distribution I would do this.

Iraq -
FAL (Officer)
AK-47 (Warrior)
AK-74
AKS-74U
Remington 870 Shotgun
Collaborator
SKS (Sapper)

Pick-Up Weapons
Al Quds RPK
Single-Stage HEAT RPG
SVD

Terry Taliban -
FAL? (Officer)
AK-47 (Warrior)
AK-74
Lee-Enfield SMLE IV
PPsH-41
Collaborator?
Sapper?

Pick-Up Weapons
PKM
Single-Stage HEAT RPG
Lee-Enfield SMLE IV Scoped

Hamas

? (Officer)
Colt 653 (Warrior)
Colt 733
M16A2
AKS-47
Collaborator?
Sapper?

Pick-Up Weapons
M60
Single-Stage HEAT RPG
M4A1 Bipod

I'm unsure how you'd get better AT in there (Dual-Stage RPGs) - I'll add more later.

Side note - I think the argument that the Taliban and Hamas are made to some degree out of trained soldiers and the Iraqi insurgency is not is moot, thing as the Iraqi insurgency was formed largely by the trained soldiers of the disbanded Old Iraqi Army.

[Reddeath]

Taliban have actual training and hierarchy, insurgents could be farm owners getting pissed that we walk on their crops.

[SGT.Ice]

Some of the insurgents are regular civis, some were in the army. But a lot of them i'm assuming were trained.

Hamas/Taliban are very smart as well as resourceful such as the insurgents. If none of them were the conflicts they are currently in would have ended by now. The insurgents with their not so great gear use the guerilla training and tactics they received to last as long as they do. We didn't fight them for over 5 years because they just threw rocks at us.

[badmojo420]

I tend to agree with this suggestion.

But, could we possibly reduce the number of special kits by half? So... only 1x sniper kit, hat, etc? I think giving them the weapons is okay, but the numbers shouldn't be on par with Blufor.

I think it's quite fun when people are less reliant on their special kits, and instead embrace the basic rifle and the tactics required to make it effective.