LAT vs Huey FAIL

[badmojo420]

Can a Dev comment on this, is the increased durability of the transport choppers intentional?

I find it hard to believe they would knowingly allow armed helicopters like the Blackhawk to have unrealistic strength, for gameplay reasons.

If anything that hurts gameplay, because we have helicopters flying around acting like gun platforms. Using their defensive weapons to assault the enemy.

I love playing AA, it's my favorite role in PR. But, the sad reality is that I rarely fire a manpad at a transport chopper if there's a chance I'll see something else. 9 out of 10 times, it's a waste of a missile.

[Kain888]

Can a Dev comment on this, is the increased durability of the transport choppers intentional?

I find it hard to believe they would knowingly allow armed helicopters like the Blackhawk to have unrealistic strength, for gameplay reasons.

If anything that hurts gameplay, because we have helicopters flying around acting like gun platforms. Using their defensive weapons to assault the enemy.

I love playing AA, it's my favorite role in PR. But, the sad reality is that I rarely fire a manpad at a transport chopper if there's a chance I'll see something else. 9 out of 10 times, it's a waste of a missile.

Agreed. In this version we see a lot of unrealistic behavior because of this mechanic and it often ruins a gameplay.

[mangeface]

Well, I got a Huey on Operation Barracuda with a LAT. That might have had something to do with shooting into the cockpit as it landed 20m in front of me. And I didn't destroy it, just killed the pilot and a few of the troops that jumped out. Either way, all helicopters in this game are ridiculous in one way or another. IMO as a mechanic on MV-22s, the CH-47 should be the easiest to shoot down. That thing is a fat *** target. And there's so many places to score a hit and cause critical failure. Whether that be hydraulic lines causing the systems to cavitate, a gearbox, the driveshafts, or any of the scores of avionics wires that run through the aircraft, all helicopters in PR have these same things to go wrong. So either they all need to be tough as shit, or all need to be weak and easy to shoot down. My 10 cents for the day.

[thebeanie]

Ive fired a tank round at a huey before and it's just flown off like nothing happened

[Doc.Pock]

well sabots wont do significant damage cuz they just go through but HEAT...

[PaveHawk]

You realize that they keep all of that fuel in the tail, right?

No, the fuel tanks for a Huey are not in the tail. There is nothing in the tail for the most part. Just some comm/nav equipment, and control rods/cables. Other then that it's hollow. Now on the top of the tailboom is the tail rotor drive shaft. At the end of the tail/base of the vertical fin is the 45 degree gearbox, and at the top of the vertical fin is the 90 degree gearbox. Hit one of these in real life and depending on the speed of the helicopter at the time of the hit it will go into a spin.

2 years as a crew chief on Hueys (UH-1N), 3 on Pavehawks (MH-60G), and 1 on Pavelows (MH-53J). Guess which one I liked better.

[havoc1482]

I fly helos in PR and my crash to shotdown ratio is like 20:1 lol

[Cavazos]

No, the fuel tanks for a Huey are not in the tail. There is nothing in the tail for the most part. Just some comm/nav equipment, and control rods/cables. Other then that it's hollow. Now on the top of the tailboom is the tail rotor drive shaft. At the end of the tail/base of the vertical fin is the 45 degree gearbox, and at the top of the vertical fin is the 90 degree gearbox. Hit one of these in real life and depending on the speed of the helicopter at the time of the hit it will go into a spin.

2 years as a crew chief on Hueys (UH-1N), 3 on Pavehawks (MH-60G), and 1 on Pavelows (MH-53J). Guess which one I liked better.

I know we have more like yourself on these forums that have an area of expertise in different areas of the military, but I wanted to personally express my gratitude to at least you for giving everyone else a more enlightened view of the matter and an insight to how things work. I really enjoy articles like these from people like yourself.

[PaveHawk]

I know we have more like yourself on these forums that have an area of expertise in different areas of the military, but I wanted to personally express my gratitude to at least you for giving everyone else a more enlightened view of the matter and an insight to how things work. I really enjoy articles like these from people like yourself.

You are more then welcome. I do enjoy passing the info along to people. That being said it has been almost 10 years since I last touched a helicopter as a mechanic/crew chief. So it was fun trying to remember the info. I even went looking for my CDCs (Career Development Course) but was unable to find the booklets for the UH-1N. So I took a few screen shots in PR to give you guys a better understanding of what I was talking about.




You also get points for being a heat fan. I'm from Miami. So home town teams first. Go Fins, Canes, Heat, Marlins, and Panthers.

[BenHamish]

Can I extend that thanks too PaveHawk, it's always interesting and enlightening to have such people around on the forums - And as well as that youmade me Google the MH-53J again, which is always a good read.

[cyberzomby]

Can I extend that thanks too PaveHawk, it's always interesting and enlightening to have such people around on the forums - And as well as that youmade me Google the MH-53J again, which is always a good read.

haha! I already PM'd him with a question about the pavehawk I always find it cool to see theres people who are actually in the real life business of the game we play. I've learned a lot on these forums

[Viper.Sw]

You are more then welcome. I do enjoy passing the info along to people. That being said it has been almost 10 years since I last touched a helicopter as a mechanic/crew chief. So it was fun trying to remember the info. I even went looking for my CDCs (Career Development Course) but was unable to find the booklets for the UH-1N. So I took a few screen shots in PR to give you guys a better understanding of what I was talking about.




You also get points for being a heat fan. I'm from Miami. So home town teams first. Go Fins, Canes, Heat, Marlins, and Panthers.

Thx for your awesome posts!

Since no DEV has answered yet and you probably have more expertise than them anyways.
Lets make this simple :
Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL of a huey operating after a direct hit form a RPG-7 HEAT?

[General Dragosh]

I would very much like a devs response to the whole "flaying tanks" thing

[karambaitos]

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and then the nose and anywhere else equals dead crew

[PaveHawk]

Thx for your awesome posts!

Since no DEV has answered yet and you probably have more expertise than them anyways.
Lets make this simple :
Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL of a huey operating after a direct hit form a RPG-7 HEAT?

That's very hard to say. The last time I can find a Huey being hit by an RPG is 1971. It blew the tail boom off. I'm not sure what type of round was fired, but it most likely wasn't a HEAT round.

A HEAT round is designed for anti armor. This is speculation on my part. But depending upon where the round hits, the high-velocity partial stream of metal that is created upon impact would most likely just go straight through the aircraft. Of course this stream will do damage to anything it comes in contact with which is why I say it's dependent on where it hits. A hit on any of the gearboxes will force the aircraft down. A hit on the engine area may damage/disable one maybe both engines causing the aircraft to go down if both engines. A hit in the nose or cockpit area would most likely cause injury maybe even killing the flight crew screwing everybody. When I say go down it doesn't mean exploding like it's a movie, but forcing the aircraft to make a landing.

Like I said this is speculation on my part and was only considering a RPG-7 HEAT round. Different rounds like HE or fragmentation warheads would be better suited. You guys seem to think that underneath the cowling of the aircraft it's packed with critical flight components in every inch, it's not. There is so much empty space that most of you would be surprised.

Also take into account that this is a game and at this point a very old one. The devs are limited in what they can do. I wish they could make it so a hit on the tail rotor sent you in to a spin, but they can't on a multiplayer server. But for some odd reason works just fine on a local server. Blame dice not the devs. Hell look at all the stuff they've already done that was thought to be impossible/ hardcoded. There is so much more that the aircraft of PR are capable of but just can't be done due to engine limitations. I personnel have no issues with how the aircraft in PR are portrayed because I've been around long enough to know it's the limitations of the engine holding them back.