Hamas feedback.

[mosinmatt]

About the hamas drop kit issue, the best way to solve the problem is to give the IDF a restrainer, so they can do something againt the unarmed.

I remember playing Asad Khal and 2 unarmed hamas guys ran right up to me and started punching me until i was bleeding, i had no other choise than to kill them. And that gave me the extra respawntime and -200 etc etc.. which kinda sux! and about the realism, the IDF have capture soo many Hamas / Hizbollah / PLO guys so the restrainer wont be to unrealistic. Just too bad that the surrounding world are forcing Israel to release terrorist, even though we are on a "war on terror"

I think you can use the knife...

[ShockUnitBlack]

I'd really like to see the team move the M60 from the Militia to Hamas. The Militia's loaded with Soviet weaponry and Hamas is armed with Vietnam-era US weaponry so it only makes sense.

[dtacs]

Do you have a source that HAMAS was ever sold M60's or in any way given them?

[Ninjam3rc]

While this article proves neither way it does leave room for assumptions.

Hamas lists seized U.S. weapons

Though as an unconventional military force either group would use whatever is available to them. Though I would assume that for militia forces to obtain 7x62mm NATO in a region where it isn't all that plentiful might make them less likely to utilize such weapons when there are Eastern Bloc counterparts readily available.

Additionally, do you have a source stating they've never used said weapon?

[Tompa]

I think you can use the knife...

I meleed them

[dtacs]

While this article proves neither way it does leave room for assumptions.

Hamas lists seized U.S. weapons

Though as an unconventional military force either group would use whatever is available to them. Though I would assume that for militia forces to obtain 7x62mm NATO in a region where it isn't all that plentiful might make them less likely to utilize such weapons when there are Eastern Bloc counterparts readily available.

The Militia are a group of gun runners, and as such are a solely fictional faction which gives the developers the means to play around and create something unique whilst still having a degree of realism. Of course in Eastern Europe Soviet weaponry is going to be alot more popular and readily accessible but at least its keeping things interesting with the FAL and M60.

Additionally, do you have a source stating they've never used said weapon?

Nope, because I don't need one. Putting in a weapon based on 'they should have it just because' is idiotic for reasons I don't have to explain. If he wants the M60 to be part of the HAMAS' arsenal in the same plentiful fashion of the PKM and RPK, he needs to provide a source. I don't need to waste my time looking for one to disprove his baseless suggestion.

[ShockUnitBlack]

I realize I'm getting trolled here but I'd still like to point out a few things.

First, I don't think there's any official description of exactly whom the Militia is. Yes, a dev or two has said they are arms dealers but others have made them out to be Chechens, communists, anarchists, and everything in-between. I believe the general
consensus is that they're really whomever they need to be - as in any of the above.

Second, I believe the story behind PR's M60 was that it was community-made and had no real place with any of the mod's factions so it was handed to the mixed-bag Militia simply because the devs or the modeler wanted it in .95

Third, show me a source with a M60 in the hands of a bunch of Russian-speaking arms dealers before you go off about proper sourcing.

Anyway, with that said, I'd like to get back on-topic.

[dtacs]

You're not getting trolled. I for one couldn't care less about the M60 in the Militias hands, by all means if there is enough community gripe with it being unrealistic, it should be removed, yes? That sounds like a suggestion, and should be made if anyone cares enough.

But back on topic. Still waiting on that HAMAS-M60 source. Or you could just say that its something you thought would be cool, but unrealistic? In which case, little chance that will happen.

[tntkid22]

I meleed them

they have the shotgun.....

and i coulda swore knifes counted as restrainers in INS (when the force doesn't have restrainer)


maybe the IDF is very mean and brutal and doesn't take prisoners

THEY DONT NEED NO STINKiN INTEL!

[Ninjam3rc]

If he wants the M60 to be part of the HAMAS' arsenal in the same plentiful fashion of the PKM and RPK, he needs to provide a source. I don't need to waste my time looking for one to disprove his baseless suggestion.

So the article discussing the theft of a large amount of American weaponry and the in game use of other formerly American arms by Hamas leave you with no doubt that the M60 should never be used by Hamas? This doesn't seem to be a put it in because it's awesome kind of thing. It also doesn't really strike me as a huge deal either way. Put it in and it needs no lengthy explanations, leave it out and it needs no lengthy explanations and certainly no angry posts demanding a source clearly stating Hamas has used an M60 as I'm pretty sure they don't have the best records as to exact small arms used.

[Stoickk]

The first bullet point from the linked article was this one, "'Dozens' of mounted machine guns." While the specific weapon system is not mentioned, this is a U.S. mounted machine gun that was sold for export. Generally speaking, odds are in favor of this being at least one generation back, increasing the likelihood of these being M60's.

Now, the article also mentions APC's. Does this mean Hamas will get Strykers now?

[Ninjam3rc]

That's about as simple as things can be put, thanks.