Why isnt the chinook armed?

[Karatepelle]

I'm actually glad they didn't add door guns to most transport helicopters.
You hardly ever need them ingame to shoot at enemies anyway.

And as a pilot I can tell you that the most annoying god damn thing in the world is piloting the flying cow or the blackhawk and having the noob-******** spamming the doorguns at nothing, for no apparent reason.
It's enough that I have seriously considered crashing the helicopter to get rid of them.

This indeed.

[Psyko]

it occurs to me that at this stage in the mod's development the population increase means more roles fulfilled. Most HMGs tow and AA implacements are being manned on the 128 server because the man power is there.

Same deal here, yes, if the chinook had a rear door gunner for the first while a lot of people would man it because its cool. but every one of those people who would try it would get bored with it after a bit and go back to doing other stuff. the same thing happened with mortars, loads of people wanted to use mortars first, and after a few weeks only a few organised individuals would bother setting up a squad for mortars because it was cool for a while but now its normalized.

The Devs choose having an opening door on the rear over having a gun becasue firstly, you dont want crew exposed like you have on the M1-17, but think about it, when was the last time you saw anyone get shot out of a chopper in PR apart from side door gunners in the HUEYs?

the ramp at the back doesnt even make sense, you cant use it for the kind of drops its used for in the first place. that ramp is so soldiers get in and out quickly in single file and in an organized fashion. in BF2 you go up to the door and all of that is done for you anyway.

The front doors should be manned with something, and the rear door should be manned with a machine gun. why, because its safe. not that its unessesary. even though im fully aware how fast it is to touch down collect guys and get out of there. but i've noticed that you get more small arms fire on insurgency maps than you get on AAS maps, excluding rounds being fired from armour.

and i have to say it or people might think i didnt know it. but yes i know that the rear door gunner cant flip up and down because the position for the user is fixed and cant move so if the door went up and down it would glitch through the man. and if you pulled the gun backa couple of feet the door would close in the gunner's face making it totally redundant. so i say leave the door open, let the guy fire at targets, let them have fun for the 40 seconds that they are in the chopper and stop being such sour-pusses about it.

[Rudd]

The problem is gunmounts psycho, they need to be modelled/appropriate weaponary needs to be made for the choppers. E.g. the lynx would need the GPMG (which we've all wanted for a long time for various applications)

once thats done then the door stuff etc is easy to do. This is exactly the kind of task that a community modeller could do tbh, R-DEVs/CONs are very busy with other tasks.

[cptste el_74]

Tthe GPMG (which we've all wanted for a long time for various applications)

Since PR came out actually... what is that now, 4 years?

On this topic, I'd just like to say I agree with one of the previous posts. It should be all of them, or none of them.

[Ninjam3rc]

So are there mounts made or no?

[Smiddey723]

The GPMG (which we've all wanted for a long time for various applications)

Since PR came out actually... what is that now, 4 years?

On this topic, I'd just like to say I agree with one of the previous posts. It should be all of them, or none of them.

the lynx has been in since 0.87 so no about 2 years

and dont have that attitude towards DEVs you have no idea how much work they are putting into the mod

[illidur]

gpmg like an FN MAG with m192 tripod? is that what the chinook would use?

[Ninjam3rc]

gpmg like an FN MAG with m192 tripod? is that what the chinook would use?

Not really a tripod but yeah. The doors up front would be armed as well.

Back Ramp

[Psyko]

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rudd;1583467']The problem is gunmounts psycho, they need to be modelled/appropriate weaponary needs to be made for the choppers. E.g. the lynx would need the GPMG (which we've all wanted for a long time for various applications)

once thats done then the door stuff etc is easy to do. This is exactly the kind of task that a community modeller could do tbh, R-DEVs/CONs are very busy with other tasks.[/quote]

ahh i shee. Well i didnt say that the DEVs should or have to do it. its just its kinda enoying to hear about all the restrictions in place like whats used in reality in contrast to what will be used in the near future when we still use the bloody fictional MEC army for most levels in PR. you know...


[quote="cptste el_74""]

the lynx has been in since 0.87 so no about 2 years

and dont have that attitude towards DEVs you have no idea how much work they are putting into the mod[/quote]

Actually i have intimate knowledge of the work done. The way it works is the only way it can work. One dev does something and if another dev doesnt know how to better, or refine the thing made they wont touch it. but if something is done arseways the only people who can correctly explain the mistake are community members who dont possess the relative skills to fix it for themselves.

for the record, my feedback is my petty attempt at being productive, and its all i can do right now.

[cptste el_74]

the lynx has been in since 0.87 so no about 2 years

and dont have that attitude towards DEVs you have no idea how much work they are putting into the mod

What attitude? The Land-Rover has had a gpmg on it for ages as well.

All I'm saying is, as the Dev's know themselves, is that there hasn't been a proper GPMG in PR sinced it was released.

And what are you anyway? The Dev's spokesperson?

I do know what they're doing... I've probably been playing the game longer than you so jog on mate.

[lukeyu2005]

Is there really a point since when was the last time someone got a kill with the chopper door gunner it's so hard without useable iron sights that when you do it's really something to brag about. And then you realise it's a team kill.
Really i reckon in PR there is no need

[lucky.BOY]

Door gunner's purpose is to supress, not to kill. It is like that in RL, and it is like that in PR..

-lucky

[Psyko]

Door gunner's purpose is to supress, not to kill. It is like that in RL, and it is like that in PR..

-lucky

SOURSE SOURSE!?!?!?! its not cool to just say stuff like that without trying to prove it.

You dont put a gun on ANYTHING without wanting something dead. If i put an M249 on a jam-doughnut it would still be considered a lethal weapon with the purpose of cutting pastry chefs in half.

[Hotrod525]

get a gun or having more flares, what realy matter ... ?

[RealKail]

I don't see why we wouldn't go ahead and strap some weapons to this and other transport choppers that are typically armed in real life.

"Oh but then people will start using them as assault gunships and wah wah wah". The military may not use these helos in direct attack capacity like some folks do in this game, but they're still sometimes deployed for support detail. For instance, look at the movie Black Hawk Down, where they had the Black Hawks over-head to support the infantry with the M134s. It rarely happens, but it does happen.

What's the worst that could possibly happen? They'll start mowing down the enemies, which is pretty hard to do with the limited coverage area on the door-mounted M134s. Then add to that the chopper is moving a decent amount with no optics system for the gun, you're going off tracers.

"That's not what the asset is supposed to be used for!" Yeah, true, in the real world anybody pulling this type of stunt would get their asses chewed by the brass, but this is a game and nobody's dropping millions of dollars on these things. Plus, they respawn after 20 minutes. They aren't too hard to take down if you know what you're doing.

[cheesus182]

Why shouldn?t it be armed?
The little 50.cal on the side isnt going to make a great impact...

[Trooper909]

Why shouldn?t it be armed?
The little 50.cal on the side isnt going to make a great impact...

2 side mounted M134 miniguns and a M240B in the rear to be exact.The PRAA2 ones have them but PRBF2 players are far to retarded for ze door gunzz

[Von_Gnome]

Well, why haven't we (read devs) removed the door guns from the other choppers then?

[Bob of Mage]

Well, why haven't we (read devs) removed the door guns from the other choppers then?

The reason the DEVs gave earlier was that the was a lack of models of gun mounts and guns (the main model was GPMGs like the M240 which they now have). It has nothing to with not wanting door guns, or so they say. However the issue's gotten worse as some helicopters have been in PR for a long time but not one of the PR made one's has a door gun.

[USMCMIDN]

What if the 2 guns could only be manned by one person instead of 2 gunners?

For example like in a tank or an apc switching between HEAT and AP I use my number pad.

If I am in the BH, HUEY, or W.e, and want to switch from the right gun to the left gun I simply use my number pad to switch guns.

This way we can have 6 ppl in transport roles, 1 person gunning and 1 flying making a total of 8.