Russian Shotgun

[simeon5541]

Why Russians are using Chinese Remington shotgun when there is Saiga shotgun in the game ?

[heroes maker]

by chinese remington shotgun , did you wanted to say "TOZ 34" ?

if yes, this is a russian pump action shotgun, used for police action is CQC ( or CQB ), mostly used by OMON or FSB, it's not used, or rarely by the regular army

if not, post picture please

[Bellator]

the russian army rarely uses shotguns. so they didn't bother model them.

[simeon5541]

by chinese remington shotgun , did you wanted to say "TOZ 34" ?

if yes, this is a russian pump action shotgun, used for police action is CQC ( or CQB ), mostly used by OMON or FSB, it's not used, or rarely by the regular army

if not, post picture please

No,there is no TOZ in the PR,
I know that Russian Army is not using shotguns,but in PR they are using Norinco 982 which
is straight copy of some Remington shotgun,while MEC is using Russian Saiga shotgun.

[simeon5541]

the russian army rarely uses shotguns. so they didn't bother model them.

I know that,but MEC are using Russian Saiga shotgun.

[ShockUnitBlack]

I'm certain the devs are aware of it, it's really just a matter of resources. If they could add in a new shotgun or T-72 model into the game, I'm sure they would. Give 'em time.

PS - The SV-98 isn't widely used by the Russian Army, but it's in the game anyway simply because it's the most realistic sniper rifle available to them currently. I'm sure a similar rule would be applied to a Russian shotgun.

[simeon5541]

PS - The SV-98 isn't widely used by the Russian Army, but it's in the game anyway simply because it's the most realistic sniper rifle available to them currently. I'm sure a similar rule would be applied to a Russian shotgun.

Yeah that is true,also Chinese Army is not using it,but if China would manufacture,
it would be probably a copy of something Russian.
But few years ago China have develop real sniper rifle,but only for use in their police . . .
For now . . . I mean on JS 7.62 .

[Acecombatzer0]

Yeah that is true,also Chinese Army is not using it,but if China would manufacture,
it would be probably a copy of something Russian.
But few years ago China have develop real sniper rifle,but only for use in their police . . .
For now . . . I mean on JS 7.62 .

According to the 0.95 change log, the SV-98 for China is a temporary model. A new Sniper for the Chinese should be added in the next version but I'm not sure.

[J.F.Leusch69]

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Nosferatu;1418190']There is no such thing as 'standard shotgun of Russian army', there is no any regulation on how and where such weapon could be used. The only troops who operate with such weapons are specnaz and the weapon that is most close to be standard is KS-23 used by MVD.[/quote]

[quote="Sgt. Evans""]Hello.
So, the first point that I want to mention is that the Armed Forces of Russia does not use shotguns. As far as I know, some tests of "Saiga" shotguns in combat conditions have taken place during the first Chechen war, but they were considered unsuccessful.
But if shotguns are have to be in the game due to the balance, why not to swap Chinese Norinco 982 with pump action KS-23 shotgun or semi-auto KS-K shotguns? They are as well not in service with the Army, but are used by the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs special units.
Here are some links in English:
KS-23:
KS-23 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Modern Firearms - KS-23
KS-K:
IZHMASH JSC official site

If anyone is interested in doing this, I can provide some additional images and information about these shotguns.[/quote]

this should explain it a bit more

[heroes maker]

chinese use the QBS 09 now, and they are going to adopt the QBU 09 as their new cal .50BMG sniper rifle

QBU 09 : QBU-09 12.7x108mm Anti material rifle with digitized fire control system

QBS 09 : China’s QBS 09 Semi-automatic Shotgun | The Firearm Blog

[Psyko]

chinese use the QBS 09 now, and they are going to adopt the QBU 09 as their new cal .50BMG sniper rifle

QBU 09 : QBU-09 12.7x108mm Anti material rifle with digitized fire control system

QBS 09 : China?s QBS 09 Semi-automatic Shotgun | The Firearm Blog

i gotta say. that gun and sight looks really good!

[ComradeHX]

Why Russians are using Chinese Remington shotgun when there is Saiga shotgun in the game ?

Because Russia is always against NATO and someone wanted NATO to have automatic shotgun due to being biased toward NATO as "blufor" and "the good guys."

Not really... the truth is that only special forces uses shotguns in Russia; at the very least I have not seen photos of regular units use them.

With that said, I really wanted a AKMS+PBS1 VDV combo for specialist kit of Russia in place of shotgun in maps in which air drop is used.

Give the AKMS higher damage than the AK-74M, no sound outside 50m, and enough bullet drop and it will function pretty much the same as a shotgun minus door-breaching(I do not recall any doors needed the shotgun for maps with Russians).

[simeon5541]

Guys,guys,guys !!
No one is listening what I have to say,I know that Russians are not using shotguns !!
But !! Even they use it,they would probably use their own made,which is Saiga,
and not something like Chines copy of something American,
I also believe that they will replace it with something like TOZ or something in future version.
And also,one question to all,why rifleman specialist must use shotgun ?
I would rather like to see Bizon with Silencer

[simeon5541]

chinese use the QBS 09 now, and they are going to adopt the QBU 09 as their new cal .50BMG sniper rifle

QBU 09 : QBU-09 12.7x108mm Anti material rifle with digitized fire control system

Hey dude,that is Anti-Material Sniper Rifle,
there is no AMSRs in PR.
That would be brutal to use in PR,as it in the reality !!

[ComradeHX]

Guys,guys,guys !!
No one is listening what I have to say,I know that Russians are not using shotguns !!
But !! Even they use it,they would probably use their own made,which is Saiga,
and not something like Chines copy of something American,
I also believe that they will replace it with something like TOZ or something in future version.
And also,one question to all,why rifleman specialist must use shotgun ?
I would rather like to see Bizon with Silencer

I already said that someone wanted NATO to be better than Russia in CQB(clearly not true because there is nothing scarier than a bunch of angry russians advancing towards you while throwing out curses in Russian) with automatic shotgun monopoly.

I am from a communist country, so I do not have a clear concept of monopoly but I just know that it is really bad. XD

[simeon5541]

I already said that someone wanted NATO to be better than Russia in CQB(clearly not true because there is nothing scarier than a bunch of angry russians advancing towards you while throwing out curses in Russian) with automatic shotgun monopoly.

But there are still bunch of angry Muslims cursing on Arabic and shooting on everyone they don't like with automatic shotguns !! XD

[samogon100500]

With that said, I really wanted a AKMS+PBS1 VDV combo for specialist kit of Russia in place of shotgun in maps in which air drop is used.

PBS1 not effective.You can't hear shoot sound,but you can hear bolt,and they very loud.+ wasting distance and heavy recoil.

1)Saiga-12 - civilian automatic shotgun for hunting.
2)Army doesn't uses shotguns as Nosferatu says.
3)KS-23 - special shotgun for shooting unlethal ammo(Also got lethal ammo).They developed for police,not for army.

All small arms what uses in RA is AK-series,PK(PKM/PKP),RPK,RPG,SVD.Weapons like sniper rifles(Except for SVD) and sub-machine guns + silent shooting devices - Using only on SF.

[Wakain]

But there are still bunch of angry Muslims cursing on Arabic and shooting on everyone they don't like with automatic shotguns !! XD

lol, some might be coptic though

[simeon5541]

1)Saiga-12 - civilian automatic shotgun for hunting.
2)Army doesn't uses shotguns as Nosferatu says.
3)KS-23 - special shotgun for shooting unlethal ammo(Also got lethal ammo).They developed for police,not for army.

I know that,but kit is called rifleman - specialist !
But as I have said,why they are not using SMGs ?
I know that Americans and Brits are using Beneli M4,
but why then all factions must use 'em ?
I must admit that I love to blew enemy with it XD

[BroCop]

Because its usage is more for breaching doors rather than trying to act like some sort of cop in the middle of the desert?

I find it kinda difficult to breach a door with an SMG