Russian Shotgun

[simeon5541]

Because its usage is more for breaching doors rather than trying to act like some sort of cop in the middle of the desert?

I find it kinda difficult to breach a door with an SMG

Maybe SMGs should be included in Rifleman - Specialist alternate kit ?

[samogon100500]

Maybe SMGs should be included in Rifleman - Specialist alternate kit ?

Not sure.it's to much unreality.As I say - there is no SMGs in army,only in police(And anyway - mostly uses AKS-74U)
Actually I want to remove shotgun and give smoke grenades or more frag for him.

[simeon5541]

Actually I want to remove shotgun and give smoke grenades or more frag for him.

Maybe is better than to keep shotgun,
but replace Chinese one with some Russian.
I really don't know is Russia using anything foreign ?

[samogon100500]

I really don't know is Russia using anything foreign ?

All small arms what uses in RA is AK-series,PK(PKM/PKP),RPK,RPG,SVD.Weapons like sniper rifles(Except for SVD) and sub-machine guns + silent shooting devices - Using only on SF.

Actually Spetsnaz do not use shotguns to.In PR they using probably for breach door and arrest civilians right?Russia do not have maps with insurgents(Not taliban and not militia).

IRL army does not have shotguns as I said.Watch my quote - this is all weapon,what uses Russian army.Police SF uses shotguns only as Anti-rebel non-lethal weapon,it's very rare that using shotgun for breaching.
Probably uses sledgehammer against wooden doors or portable gas welding machine(Steel doors)

Russian army very different that any NATO army.They got different tactics of warfare.We ready to fight at forests,mountains or desert,but we got small skill of modern urban combat,thats why our army do not have shotguns.

[Broseph]

Hmm, a sledge hammer, that'll be amusing

But in the meantime why can't the Russians have their Saiga instead of this Chinese shotgun?

[samogon100500]

Hmm, a sledge hammer, that'll be amusing

But in the meantime why can't the Russians have their Saiga instead of this Chinese shotgun?

Saiga - hunting shotgun,they made not for military.And Norrico - placeholder for KS-23(But not sure thats it's to much needed - incendiary grenades works well).
Also - would be awesome to see different shotgun for taliban and militia something like this.

But first time - cut off barrel and butt.

[Broseph]

Saiga - hunting shotgun,they made not for military.And Norrico - placeholder for KS-23(But not sure thats it's to much needed - incendiary grenades works well).
Also - would be awesome to see different shotgun for taliban and militia something like this.

But first time - cut off barrel and butt.

If you wanted to be realistic you would give them some good old Baikals

[samogon100500]

If you wanted to be realistic you would give them some good old Baikals

Yeah,agree.My post just an example.

[BroCop]

Samogon AFAIK Russia does have an INS map. Do the words "Iron" and "Ridge" ring a bell?

[samogon100500]

Samogon AFAIK Russia does have an INS map. Do the words "Iron" and "Ridge" ring a bell?

Militia and taliban was is not insurgents.Only insurgency and hamas can be arrested AFAIK.

I know thats Iron Ridge got INS layout.

[simeon5541]

Also - would be awesome to see different shotgun for taliban and militia something like this.
But first time - cut off barrel and butt.

Great idea I was intending to post that,but I would be anoying with shotgun posts !! XD

[Bellator]

I think the norinco shotgun is such a generic pump action shotgun model that you could give it to all factions and I wouldn't mind.

[Stealthgato]

I prefer to remove the shotgun from Russian Specialist, would be realistic and differ from other factions, compensate by giving it more thermite grenades.

[simeon5541]

I prefer to remove the shotgun from Russian Specialist, would be realistic and differ from other factions, compensate by giving it more thermite grenades.

Or with AS VAL !! XD But kit would be must to be called Rifleman - Spetznaz !!
Just kidding,but SMG would good.

[GeorgRavioli]

I prefer to remove the shotgun from Russian Specialist, would be realistic and differ from other factions, compensate by giving it more thermite grenades.

Definitely agree here, or else some other tool which could be used to bust open doors. I enjoy the shotguns, but they honestly aren't useful at all in most of my experience.

[simeon5541]

I prefer to remove the shotgun from Russian Specialist, would be realistic and differ from other factions, compensate by giving it more thermite grenades.

But AN-M14 is not Russian either.

[samogon100500]

But AN-M14 is not Russian either.

We got modern RG-60DZ it is smoke-incendiary grenade.They got biggest smoke splash thats AN-M14 and got incendiary effects.

Source

Or with AS VAL !! XD But kit would be must to be called Rifleman - Spetznaz !!
Just kidding,but SMG would good.

Yeah yeah yeah
Did you know effective fire distance for AS?
But it's not so bad - SMGs got smallest fire distance thats AS.
Please - next time?don't post thats stuff,they make me laughing. =)))

[simeon5541]

Yeah yeah yeah
Did you know effective fire distance for AS?
But it's not so bad - SMGs got smallest fire distance thats AS.
Please - next time?don't post thats stuff,they make me laughing. =)))

I said that I was just kidding . . .
I also know that AS VAL is almost same as the Vintorez which is sniper rifle . . .

[samogon100500]

I said that I was just kidding . . .
I also know that AS VAL is almost same as the Vintorez which is sniper rifle . . .

xD
How am kidding you
Did you know effective fire distance for VSS "Vintorez"?

Left draw - 1 mark 200m,2 - 300,3 - 400

[simeon5541]

Did you know effective fire distance for VSS "Vintorez"?

I don't know,but I know that Vintorez can cut cigarete on half on 100m range.