[Nitpicking] Inaccurate Camouflage Issuance

[Broseph]

Hey I just want to bring up the fact that the camouflage uniforms depicted for the BLUFOR forces are a bit off from reality

Lets start with this:

1. Russian Marines:


They should be wearing the 'ODKB' pattern and not MARPAT, with this pattern provided by me being closer to the actual pattern than what they are currently using (yes I checked, the colors are correct)



Also why do they have no Patches?

2. British Forces:

On Forest maps they are wearing Woodland DPM, this shouldn't be possible in 2011 as MPT completely phased out DPM in frontline units, meanwhile the pattern as is seems to be scaled two times to small

3. Army Forces:


Same as with British Forces, since 2010 forces deployed to Afghanistan have been issued Multicam Uniforms dubbed by the U.S. Army officially as the 'Operation Enduring Freedom Pattern', with units having a mix match of ACU and Multicam like the transition between M83 and ACU, yet they still have full ACU uniforms, though this entire statement would be made redundant in 2 years when the Army finally adopts new camouflage patterns ??:



Though Russian and American forces would have to make new skins made, in the case of British forces it's just a case of redundancy and can be easily fixed

[heroes maker]

for the US army :

the multicam is not yet really adopted, only the 10th montain regiment ( or guard i don't remember ), the 15th rangers and special forces use it

for the russian :

the ODKB is not yet used, only has a prototype test, it will be used in 2013

if i'm wrong correct me, thank you

[gazzthompson]

The DEVs have Military advisor's in all 3 of them factions.

Im sure all factions will get correct camo at some point, but i would imagine its low on the list.

[MrTomRobs]

Surely woodland DPM is still being used for temperate zones? I was under the pretence that MTP was designed for the middle eastern environment as a neutral counter between the arid and vegetated areas of afghanistan and iraq so that troops wouldn't look extremely out of place (for example) wearing desert DPM in poppy fields or the like, similarly that they wouldn't look out of place wearing dark greens and blacks tabbing along the side of a dusty hill...

Moreover, (now I may only be UAS and therefore not frontline, so my priority is pretty low...) i've not really heard much in the way of getting new 'greens' here in the UK (yes, not frontline), and i've not really heard many complaints from rock apes saying they can be easily seen in a forest wearing woodlands...

Can someone clarify this for me?

[Rudd]

Surely woodland DPM is still being used for temperate zones? I was under the pretence that MTP was designed for the middle eastern environment as a neutral counter between the arid and vegetated areas of afghanistan and iraq so that troops wouldn't look extremely out of place (for example) wearing desert DPM in poppy fields or the like, similarly that they wouldn't look out of place wearing dark greens and blacks tabbing along the side of a dusty hill...

R-DEV Strima made a post on this point in another thread, iirc the MTP is envisaged at being 'ok' for most combat zones. Though I would have throught at you, that woodland DPM would still be used in temperate zones.

[MrTomRobs]

R-DEV Strima made a post on this point in another thread, iirc the MTP is envisaged at being 'ok' for most combat zones. Though I would have throught at you, that woodland DPM would still be used in temperate zones.

Cheers Rudd, i've missed that one. Any chance of a link?

[Rudd]

here you go mate, it was pretty hard to find

MTP is replacing woodland across all three services of the British armed forces over the next couple of years. This is to be standard working dress with 'office dwellers' being issues barrack dress.

Digicam is so last year. With regards to British MTP, this has been designed to cover a multitude of theatres where the cam requirements vary immensely, Helmand province is a good example, desert rapidly changing to lush vegetated areas, MTP is designed for that.

We're not expecting to carry out combat operations in UK or NW Europe in the near future which the woodland pattern was originally designed for, woodland is really the last remaining vestibule of the coldwar.

I would prefer to see shots of Mirage cam pattern being used in real combat areas when it's faded and battered to see how it really acts, promotional shots are not a good example of how things work in the real world.

[MrTomRobs]

here you go mate, it was pretty hard to find

Cheers mate, appreciate it! Finding a specific post by strima is like finding a needle in a haystack...

Personally I love my DPMs and i'll be sad to see them go. Remember my dad coming home in them after work every day... /nostalgia

Interesting comment about it being a relic of the cold war though, everyone i've talked to about the new camo reckons DPM is basically an icon of the british forces as an entity and it's what we're recognised for (well, that and being supremely awesome...). Admittedly its used by other countries too, but generally if you see DPM, you associate it with the brits.

Either way, the new ones do their job well, no denying that! And as long as they're as comfy as my old CS95s i won't complain!

And i've also realised i've gone terribly far off topic... my apologies!

[Broseph]

for the US army :

the multicam is not yet really adopted, only the 10th montain regiment ( or guard i don't remember ), the 15th rangers and special forces use it

for the russian :

the ODKB is not yet used, only has a prototype test, it will be used in 2013

if i'm wrong correct me, thank you

Well I just know that all new forces deploying to Afghanistan since last year are supposed to be issued it

Meanwhile actually I'm pretty sure ODKB has been adopted since the VDV were all kitted out in it in this year's victory parade

[Broseph]

Surely woodland DPM is still being used for temperate zones? I was under the pretence that MTP was designed for the middle eastern environment as a neutral counter between the arid and vegetated areas of afghanistan and iraq so that troops wouldn't look extremely out of place (for example) wearing desert DPM in poppy fields or the like, similarly that they wouldn't look out of place wearing dark greens and blacks tabbing along the side of a dusty hill...

Moreover, (now I may only be UAS and therefore not frontline, so my priority is pretty low...) i've not really heard much in the way of getting new 'greens' here in the UK (yes, not frontline), and i've not really heard many complaints from rock apes saying they can be easily seen in a forest wearing woodlands...

Can someone clarify this for me?

The Ministry of Defense said it was replacing all DPM, I was under the impression they were going to keep desert DPM when they originally announced it, but apparently not

Introduction of Personal Clothing System Soldier Systems

[Schneids]

I dunno about the other factions, but the Army still does have a lot of guys over there using ACUs. They're slowly changing over though

[USMC scout sniper]

Only some US army divisions have multi cam

[Broseph]

Meanwhile, what about the MEC? Do any of you think the vanilla French Lizard pattern was better than this really really faded 6-Color desert pattern in project reality?

[Salvo]

Surely woodland DPM is still being used for temperate zones? I was under the pretence that MTP was designed for the middle eastern environment as a neutral counter between the arid and vegetated areas of afghanistan and iraq so that troops wouldn't look extremely out of place (for example) wearing desert DPM in poppy fields or the like, similarly that they wouldn't look out of place wearing dark greens and blacks tabbing along the side of a dusty hill...

Moreover, (now I may only be UAS and therefore not frontline, so my priority is pretty low...) i've not really heard much in the way of getting new 'greens' here in the UK (yes, not frontline), and i've not really heard many complaints from rock apes saying they can be easily seen in a forest wearing woodlands...

Can someone clarify this for me?

The woodland pattern is going to be completely phased out. As far as I know. Only training units use them, frontline units all wear MTP camouflage. That's the reason MTP was issued, so that it could be used in a woodland and desert enviroment because of the contrast between the Western Desert and the Green Zone in Afghanistan. At some point, there will be just one line of uniform, which will be MTP. Soon training units will start using MTP and woodland will be used by the cadet forces until those stocks run out, then they too shall be issued with MTP.

Hope this helped.