Chinese VN-3 - Problem

ShockUnitBlack · Post by **ShockUnitBlack** » 2011-05-25 00:14

maniac1031 wrote:The crows has the same armor value as a normal hummer as far as i know they both can take 1+ lat shot the crows operates the same way as a normal car therefor it should not require a crewman to drive who is trained to drive and gun for armor.

Balance reasons though...

maniac1031 · Post by **maniac1031** » 2011-05-25 01:34

ShockUnitBlack wrote:Balance reasons though...

I don't understand how that is more balanced. I'm all for balancing the game to a degree but how does having a let say saw while driving that humvee make it imbalanced? if anything the humvee needs the extra fire power to take on something like a vn3 or brdm seeing as you are grouping them in the same categore of armored vehicle. You can't compare a humvee with a 50 cal mg to a vn-3 who can take out strykers with its gun. This is the reason why qawi inf is ridiculously unbalanced for the us because the chines get vn-3s and the us get humvees.

ShockUnitBlack · Post by **ShockUnitBlack** » 2011-05-25 02:04

maniac1031 wrote:I don't understand how that is more balanced. I'm all for balancing the game to a degree but how does having a let say saw while driving that humvee make it imbalanced? if anything the humvee needs the extra fire power to take on something like a vn3 or brdm seeing as you are grouping them in the same categore of armored vehicle. You can't compare a humvee with a 50 cal mg to a vn-3 who can take out strykers with its gun. This is the reason why qawi inf is ridiculously unbalanced for the us because the chines get vn-3s and the us get humvees.

The CROWS HMMWV should get pimped armour though.

Nixy23 · Post by **Nixy23** » 2011-05-25 06:06

Most HMMWV's cannot survive 1 LAT shot. They are very lucky if they get hit on the 'front armour' and manage not to burst into flames right away. The same goes for the CROWS. As it stands though, the CROWS gunner might not be exposed directly, as a regular .50cal gunner would be, but it is still possible to shoot him out of the car, whilst this is not possible with the VN-3 and BRDMs.

Now *IF and WHEN* the next patch hits, HMMWV's are said to be changed to the up-armoured variant, meaning the top .50cal gunner will be way less exposed, unless he's engaged from above. I do not know if the actual car itself will get more armour to survive say, 1 LAT completely at almost 100% certainty.

ShockUnitBlack wrote:The CROWS HMMWV should get pimped armour though.

Why though? The HMMWV (High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) is of specific design, so that the armaments they can install on the top can be changed 'relatively easy' (This does not mean right in the field, but in a garage somewhere). The CROWS was just installed onto the basic HMMWV, thus it should have no extra armour compared to a regular .50cal one.

Imchicken1 · Post by **Imchicken1** » 2011-05-25 18:11

Balance = bad
The VN3 should require a crewman, as it i basically a BRDM. Hmmvw should just be left the way it is.

I dont know if its just the map but i survived a sabot round from a T72 to the rear armour of my hmmvw. Just saying

Smiddey723 · Post by **Smiddey723** » 2011-05-25 20:20

Imchicken1 wrote:I dont know if its just the map but i survived a sabot round from a T72 to the rear armour of my hmmvw. Just saying

most probably to do with ping, bad hit detection or just didnt hit you

Stealthgato · Post by **Stealthgato** » 2011-05-28 23:33

Nixy23 wrote:Most HMMWV's cannot survive 1 LAT shot. They are very lucky if they get hit on the 'front armour' and manage not to burst into flames right away. The same goes for the CROWS.

If you're talking about in-game then that's not right, I've been hit in Humvees (both regular .50 and .50 CROWS) with RPG-7s countless times and in only 1 out of 10 does the Humvee explode on the spot. It goes to black smoke and on some rare occasions it barely gets damaged at all.

maniac1031 · Post by **maniac1031** » 2011-05-29 03:53

Stealthgato wrote:If you're talking about in-game then that's not right, I've been hit in Humvees (both regular .50 and .50 CROWS) with RPG-7s countless times and in only 1 out of 10 does the Humvee explode on the spot. It goes to black smoke and on some rare occasions it barely gets damaged at all.

Hell even in real life a humvee can survive a direct RPG hit because it may go right threw the humvees armor and not expload.

Nixy23 · Post by **Nixy23** » 2011-05-29 12:03

I often have the exact opposite Stealth. I get hit by 1RPG and the HMMWV is burning up. The squad has to bail and run for it's life before the thing explodes in their faces.

I know it's not supposed to be that way, but hell. It happens

ytman · Post by **ytman** » 2011-05-30 15:56

VN3 = pwn due to the wonders of the 14 mm and the fact that that 'light cannon' weapon hasn't been balanced in like three versions. I've taken out a Bradley with that 14mm.

Also the crows turret traverse is TERRIBLY slow.... why is that so slow but all other ones so fast?

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