British rifles

[ytman]

To me the IDF and German guns feel like they fire faster and are a big reason why I love them.

Still... anything with an iron sight/aimpoint/reflex sight.... is just win for me. AK74 feels the most powerful too... could just be its sound.

[Lange]

To me the IDF and German guns feel like they fire faster and are a big reason why I love them.

Still... anything with an iron sight/aimpoint/reflex sight.... is just win for me. AK74 feels the most powerful too... could just be its sound.

Yes, so even though they IDF Tavor and German G3 have the same deviation that ROF, and such makes them work better in CBC than the L85. Im trying to see your guys points on using the L85 on auto and other weapons as well but in my experience it can just plain suck. CBC in PR is a crapfest in my opinion and only sometimes is as reliable as it should be often its a game of chance and whoever can spray and pray the fastest.

The L85 though has a rediculous spread on auto which could be due to the recoil values or something else im not sure.

[gazzthompson]

Care to make a video or something? i find the SA80 to be one of the best CQB guns and one of the few guns able to compete with th AK

[TheComedian]

The AK sounds more powerful than the dull thump of the SA80 series.

[Nebsif]

SA80 does seem to suck on full auto compared to Tavor, it feels like Tavor handles much easier on auto while having a higher ROF. Many other peopelski noticed that while play testing that French (Brit placeholder) vs IDF map. O_o

[dtacs]

The accuracy of the Tavor on fully automatic is absolutely insane. It holds a tiny spread at 50m. Hard to be believe it has the same deviation as the M16A4 which is a piece of garbage.

Nonetheless, the G3 will forever be the greatest gun ever.

[Mikemonster]

Thing is, if you're scoped in and firing full auto then I think you'd be better off using single shots. I dislike the Tavor unscoped because it's slow and has a large spread. That's where the M16A4 pwns.

[Nebsif]

Thing is, if you're scoped in and firing full auto then I think you'd be better off using single shots. I dislike the Tavor unscoped because it's slow and has a large spread. That's where the M16A4 pwns.

Slow? Huge spread? What? M16A4 has NO advantage over any 5.56 rifle ingame, they all perform the same on semi, while Tavor can be put to good use in CQB on full auto unscoped and scoped alike. Its too easy to control on auto even scoped, maybe it has to do with it's small magnification, still its the only rifle i'd take scoped for CQB.

[Mikemonster]

If you take the Tavor and leave it unscoped (i.e. how you would clear a room, the only time you use full auto) it has a slow rate of fire and a large spread compared to the M16A4 that Hamas uses.

The M16's advantage is that a good player has the bullets land closer to the centre of his screen (on target) and faster than the Tavor.

If you're scoped in and using Full Auto, you're either camping a door (meaning any full auto rifle will do to be honest), or you would be better off using single shots (i.e., you had time to stop, scope in, and settle the deviation) in my opinion.

[TheComedian]

If you take the Tavor and leave it unscoped (i.e. how you would clear a room, the only time you use full auto) it has a slow rate of fire and a large spread compared to the M16A4 that Hamas uses.

I prefer grenades for clearing rooms. Some people forget they have them in inventory.

[DankE_SPB]

M16A2(or US M16A4 on burst) has same RoF as Tavor

[TheComedian]

But recoil is different between rifle families? So its just players experience with recoil that makes the difference.

[Mikemonster]

Far too useful a tool to waste on a potentially empty room! They are for medics with their infants crowded around, mwahahaha..

[DankE_SPB]

But recoil is different between rifle families? So its just players experience with recoil that makes the difference.

Yup, but even there difference is pretty small.

There is a difference in RoF, some has 600rpm, others - 900(Tavor, C7, M4/16 out of my memory), but thats it - only 2 options.

[TheComedian]

Do all rifles have different deviation when firing from the hip? (unscoped)

[Mikemonster]

Didn't know that, I could have sworn the Tavor fired slower than the M16 on full auto.

Also, I got the guns wrong. I meant the M16A1, not the A4. Sorry for any confusion.

I also would be very interested to know if there are any differences between deviation when firing from the hip. You've made me wonder now!

[Nebsif]

Didn't know that, I could have sworn the Tavor fired slower than the M16 on full auto.

Also, I got the guns wrong. I meant the M16A1, not the A4. Sorry for any confusion.

I also would be very interested to know if there are any differences between deviation when firing from the hip. You've made me wonder now!

Ye thats why I was like wtf A4 is burst.

[DankE_SPB]

I also would be very interested to know if there are any differences between deviation when firing from the hip. You've made me wonder now!

When i said deviation is the same i was actually comparing 'hip fire' deviation numbers
These base numbers then get multiplied by coefficient for your state(standing/crouched/prone, zoomed in or not).
Obviously coefficients are exactly the same for all rifles.

[Mikemonster]

Ahh.. Thankyou.

So really the only difference between the guns is recoil and Rate of Fire? What about added per-shot deviation? (i.e that would make some guns' 'spread' larger, despite having the same recoil as others').

[TheComedian]

I don't think there is a thing as "per-shot deviation". When you shoot the deviation resets to base numbers (taking into account movement, stance and magnification)