Militia Need AK 74 Scope again !!!

[Nebsif]

Wow just give them a scoped AK-74 as one of the officer kits and let em get slaughtered.
I get more (easy) kills, they get their worst scope in PR on one of the best CQB weps, only down-side is when theyre on my team storming buildings..
BTW Aiming at pixels works damn good.. the whole "I cant hit shiz w/o a scope" thing is in ur head because u dont clearly see if u hit or missed.

[karambaitos]

Smogon sorry man do not take it personally but you talking bullshit only. Doesnt matter and dont care what appliance the russian army use/used.

If you need Realism than go to the Russian army and take PR at the reallife. should you die at combat (god forbid) than dont wonder when you are not reviveble!!!
over!

didnt i say i play on 16" 1366x768 screen, and i willing to bet that you have a much bigger screen than i do with a bigger max resolution?

just because you dont care, doesnt mean it makes it all right

i have no problem with scoped officers, but scoped AR and rifleman heck no,

and balancing? yeah militia have one of the best CQB weapons like nebsif said and the PSSH (the most retardedly good weapon in the game) as well their officer gets a scorpion instead of a pistol, the medic can have an AKS-74U as well as the officer, its asymmetrical. balance

but a scoped rifleman will beat you at 300 meters because he could get a cover with 10% bodysight.

of course he will, thats why i wont engage him at 300 meters alone ill get my squad with an AR to start shooting at him as well, then we will win, or some will suppress others will move in close to him, if its possible, if he how ever gets his own squad which has a scoped AR and more scopes than us, we should keep shooting at them, but pull back and wait for them to come to us or go in a building and wait.
tactics, and common sense, are better then scopes.

and if you guys no need scope at cqc use ironsight stop spamming here your favourite weapon.

sorry, but your doing the same

[ytman]

The Militia have the advantage, imo, at CQ ranges. The PPSH is a terrifying beast and I believe the medic gets the AKS-74 which... both... they just unload super quick.

[Rudd]

Gentlemen, please continue the discussion with respect for eachother's opinions.

as far as I see it the discussion has come to thus:

1) - those who think the militia maps are tantamount to conventional and therefore mean miltia should get scopes to put them on an equal footing

2) - those who are absolutely fine with teh status quo and don't want any change

3) - those (like myself) who are fine with the status quo, but wouldn't be sad to see a couple of limited kits feature scopes.



Lets try and keep the discussion rolling, the debate on how effective scopes must be kept relevant to this discussion if it is to be included. Generic discussion of scoped effectiveness really should be put in a different thread.

[samogon100500]

If you need Realism than go to the Russian army and take PR at the reallife. should you die at combat (god forbid) than dont wonder when you are not reviveble!!!
over!

I was there.Don't worry.

We talking about BALANCING, and if you guys no need scope at cqc use ironsight stop spamming here your favourite weapon.
Smogon sorry man do not take it personally but you talking bullshit only. Doesnt matter and dont care what appliance the russian army use/used.

panic panic panic.
Asymmetrical balance there doesn't means - not balance.
Militia on Kashan would be unfair.On Dragon Fly,Fools road,Kozelsk - not.
Also -as Rudd says some optics would be interesting,but not "scopes for everyone" because this is real bullshit .

[ComradeHX]

Samogon, if i'm reading correctly:

"all hunting scopes are similar, and they would need to find an AK upper receiver with rails.

PS. in the chechen wars, there was no one who didnt have a scope" <So here i'm not sure whether you are supporting the suggestion or against it.

well to point out the obvious - As we all know even the real AK attachment rails are simply bolted to the lower reciever. The piece hooks around from where itis bolted on the bottom or side up over the top of the rifle, as you can see here:

You linked to an airsoft accesory... it mounts to replica AK47 due to unrealistic design(will not work for real AK).
1. both image sources are airsoft webshops.
2. the screw on the front of that rail-thing screws into the left side of Rear sight block; REAL AK do not have a screw hole there(they have this solid piece of gas-tube takedown lever). Same for the screw at bottom.
3. in case you never used one on real gun... those $20-30 red dot scopes in sport shops absolutely sucks at over 100m due to parallax and you are better off with irons...
4. a lot of cheap scopes(including the cheap red dots talked about above) cannot handle the stress of anything over .22(which is almost every other type of bullet).

NVGs average around 200-400 for a low grade civi pair, mostly for camping, and the batteries themselves are usually not cheap. they dont run on AAs. Military grade NVGs are hard to find at Military surplus store and if you can average 2-3000 dollars. So no Militia types should not get NVGs for night maps. (maybe "starlight" type systems but no modern NVGs, or if they do they should be a weapon. meaning you have to put down your rifle, as some NVGs are more like massive monoculars you have to hold up.)

Soviet NV device for AK is huge(has 3 tubes so it still works very well), but is not impossible to use(I have aimed briefly with it mounted to a RPK74; though another comrade in my section was carrying it); availability should not be a problem near Russia.
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Since we are going to asymmetrical balance; how about we add a shock absorber pad(usually for GP-25) to the stock of all Militia AK and decrease the recoil(per shot) by 0.1-0.2? This will make it more balanced as Militia now has a real(though minor) advantage in CQB and everyone else have the scopes.

[ytman]

Scopes are only good at ranges longer than 100 odd meters. I've had people with SKS' and AK's pick me off from 100+ meters. Nearly all current Militia maps have a good deal of trees and cover which seperate long distances and render the Conventional force's advantage nearly moot.

We do have optics for the Militia forces on limited kits, such as the Marksman and Sniper. I don't know what other kits could be justified in having that scope... I know I'll take my Fal or AKS over anything with optics as Militia. Cause even with optics those buggers are going to have thermals.... and I'd rather stay to where I'm at a complete advantage and my opponent has none.

[hanadul44]

Scopes are only good at ranges longer than 100 odd meters. I've had people with SKS' and AK's pick me off from 100+ meters. Nearly all current Militia maps have a good deal of trees and cover which seperate long distances and render the Conventional force's advantage nearly moot.

We do have optics for the Militia forces on limited kits, such as the Marksman and Sniper. I don't know what other kits could be justified in having that scope... I know I'll take my Fal or AKS over anything with optics as Militia. Cause even with optics those buggers are going to have thermals.... and I'd rather stay to where I'm at a complete advantage and my opponent has none.

marksman and sniper are not riflemans also cant replace scoped Rangers with MM/snipps.

[ComradeHX]

marksman and sniper are not riflemans also cant replace scoped Rangers with MM/snipps.

They are Men, With rifles.
Therefore they are RifleMen.

[SterrUwe321]

I like the idea with the scope for the AK74.

My problem that i have is, that i think the game is getting too realistic and looses it?s fun.
If there where Scope Rifles i?d still choose the iron version, and u know why? Cuz it?s more effective on the most Millitia maps!
But sometimes we have to fight over long distances, even on Millitia maps. And therefore i?d like to be able to choose a scope AK74.

I play project reality cuz of the TEAMPLAY, VOIP, TACTIC and REALISM, and not cuz i want a perfect simulated war game.

Ps. On Kokan or Falluja for example, i mostly choose the M249 without a Scope (Cuz i?m afraid of the Ins with their non Scope Ak47 ops

[simeon5541]

Militia already have scopes . . .
Enough of scopes,and scopes on ARs would be a step backwards for PR iMo.
When you work as a squad you can always have marksman to cover you,
or you can apply for that role . . . Oh yeah and there is a Sniper kit.
Also there is only one type of scopes available to AKs in PR,
and that are long range ones,which does not help to much in Forest maps
where Militia is fighting,so their current handheld weapons choice on their maps can be advantage in good hands,
and it is in many cases,also there are urban parts of Militia's maps,where iron sights do great jobs,
they are also great for clearing of buildings.
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This mod is called Project Reality,
and it is striving to justify its name by implementing realistic effects,environments,sounds,details . . .
Which other so called ''reality simulators'' don't even have in plans . . .
In this case,one of these details are Insurgent and Militant weapon lists,
so off course they are not using optics.
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Many of today's Military Superpowers don't use optics so often also :
Look at Russia or China,PR team have put optics to RAF and PLA probably
to make them balanced in front of NATO and IDF factions.
MEC (although fictional faction) is also using them for same reason,
and because it is great on long ranges in desert maps,
although there is no Mideastern army in real life that is using Hensoldt 4x M2 on each of their G3s.
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In the end current Militia kits looks very original and appropriate :
Most of Warsaw Pact made weapons and few of Western ones probably purchased via Black Market,
perfect mix in my humble opinion . . .
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Also have you ever seen some picture or video of some Rebel or Militant,
from Congo to Nagorno-Karabakh,to Gaza,through Colombia,across Darfur,in Yugoslavia,
or Iraq,maybe Sri Lanka,Syria,or even Mexico . . . And so on,and so on . . .
Having scoped assault rifle (DMR's not included) particularly AKM,AK47 or AK74 ?
Probably not . . .

[robbo]

This is the first time ive posted in years. So..

I think the way the rebels are now is fine i can handle to whole iron sights, if you wanna have optics in your squad grab a marksman. But seen as how PR is set in the near future i can imagine their being more scoped rifles out their such as AK74 with PSO or somthing.

Why not use the current AK74 with optics from the russians (aka the black one) i see many videos of Chechen, Lybian and Syrian rebels with the newer AK74 with GP and optics. Use this rifle for a limited kit so you dont have scores of players running around with optics totally changing game play but enough to give them a chance at range?

[Cossack]

Meh, militia is cqb fighters so no need for scopes at all.

[simeon5541]

Why not use the current AK74 with optics from the russians (aka the black one) i see many videos of Chechen, Lybian and Syrian rebels with the newer AK74 with GP and optics. Use this rifle for a limited kit so you dont have scores of players running around with optics totally changing game play but enough to give them a chance at range?

Nice try . . .
Even if you see video or picture of some AK with plastic parts
in hands of some Syrian or Libyan rebel that is probably even not
a AK74 but Bulgarian made AKM or its 5.56 or 5.45 derivate.

[robbo]

Nice try at what?
Seen as how the militia isnt based on any country your point is invalid.

I do see a scoped FAL though so thats a thought? maybe officer has scoped FAL?

AK103? with PK01?

Or look at this guy! bling ak ha

another ak103?

[Sgt.BountyOrig]

Seen as how the militia isnt based on any country your point is invalid.

But you have also just blown yourself up there too.

Nah, I don't think that given the tight spaced militia maps.. there is much need for a scope. Maybe 2 times out of 10 will you "need" one.

[robbo]

But you have also just blown yourself up there too.

Nah, I don't think that given the tight spaced militia maps.. there is much need for a scope. Maybe 2 times out of 10 will you "need" one.

I know i was hoping no one would no and just look at the pretty pictures

[simeon5541]

Seen as how the militia isnt based on any country your point is invalid.

You are right,it is not based on any country at all,
they are based on Chechen Rebels,and they were even called Chechens in past releases.
So their equipment resembles real Chechens.
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And who are those guys on this pictures ?
They don't look like some ex-Soviet Militants at all,
and their appearance and equipment looks somehow familiar to me . . .
Also if my memory serves me well,their faction is already in development . . .

[Cossack]

@robbo - give me the source that those are rebels and multiple of them have scopes (like 8 of 10). Even in Russian army scopes are rare except for marksmen.

[Souls Of Mischief]

@robbo - give me the source that those are rebels and multiple of them have scopes (like 8 of 10). Even in Russian army scopes are rare except for marksmen.

Regular units wouldn't wear jeans and t-shirts...