[0966] Double taps or fast single fire shooting not possible anymore

[daZza_1992]

Hey folks,

just realized that PR seems to be blocking a lot of my shots, when I'm firing in single shot.

Proper double taps are not possible anymore, as the delay between the shots is way to long. Shooting just doesn't "feel right" and it's like the game is blocking my gun from shooting. This issue is even more noticeable when supressing, spamming or CQBing in single shot.

The "shooting scheme" is also really odd and not fluent at all. Hard to explain, but lets jsut say that a "." represents a certain length of time and a "X" is a shot.
The scheme is like this then:

X......X....X.......X......X...X

Really unfluently and random. It changes everytime I shoot the gun.
When I concentrate to click a lot slower its a proper scheme again so like

X...X...X...X...X...X...X

However normally when shooting fast in single shot it should be like

X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X


I'm pretty sure that I never had those issues in an earlier version and to me it looks like that you guys integrated some kind of block mechanism that blocks the weapon if you click to fast. I find that really unrealistic though, as in real life such a mechanism doesn't exists and the weapon shoots the way you pull the trigger and not in some random scheme that's totally unfluently.


Steps to reproduce: Shoot your weapon in single shot


PS: I just tested my click per second with a tool and the outcome is that I do an average of 7 clicks / second. That's only 420 clicks/minute and I think that's not much at all, it's probably below avarage speed. So I don't know why this is an issue for PR. I hope you guys can fix that, coz it's really really annoying and gets me killed pretty often.

[Spec]

It's realistic with a slight delay. Pulling a trigger just takes so much longer than pressing a mouse button.

[daZza_1992]

Indeed, but the delay which I experienced ingame is too long. A trained shooter can easily shoot more than 1 bullet a second.

‪World Speed Shooting Champs Facing Off‬‏ - YouTube

‪Shotgun Speed Shooting World Record, Spencer Hoglund aka Lead Dispencer Pump Shotgun‬‏ - YouTube

‪marine shooting m4‬‏ - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiUpjIH ... re=related



Even this untrained guy can shoot in a proper pace: ‪M4 speed shooting‬‏ - YouTube

Ingame its at least 2 times slower than this dude shoots.

[daZza_1992]

Bug Update: I tested a bit more and apparantly the issue is only there with the Chinese Assault Rifle.

Just shot with Militias FAL and Scorpion, no issues.
Russian AK, no issues
IDF TAR, no issues

edit: M9 handgun same issue
M16/4 no issues

[Dougalachi]

They put a delay on all sidearms a couple of releases ago, as the pistol was being used as an uber CQC weapon instead of the rifle by lots of squadleaders. At least, that is how I interpreted their reasoning.

[Killer2354]

They put a delay on all sidearms a couple of releases ago, as the pistol was being used as an uber CQC weapon instead of the rifle by lots of squadleaders. At least, that is how I interpreted their reasoning.

I still use it for CQC if I have a scope on my gun.
ON TOPIC: You just have to learn how to control your gun. If some fire selections don't work out for you, you just need to learn how to use the other effectively. You really shouldn't be going in semi in close quarters with your rifle if it has another fire selection.

[GreenNeo1]

Bug Update: I tested a bit more and apparantly the issue is only there with the Chinese Assault Rifle.

Just shot with Militias FAL and Scorpion, no issues.
Russian AK, no issues
IDF TAR, no issues

edit: M9 handgun same issue
M16/4 no issues

Here's a quick fix for you, put your rifle on full auto, and just click very briefly for one shot. It'll be faster than semi.

[DieVoorJe91]

It's realistic with a slight delay. Pulling a trigger just takes so much longer than pressing a mouse button.

Im a infantry men, and if have to do reaction shooting, u have 2 bullets comin our way within a second that i spotted u

[Spec]

Ye, but not seven. Though I can of course not really judge it, but you'll have to agree that, no matter how fast you can pull the trigger, clicking is still faster.

[BulletPr0of]

I have noticed this however I always assumed it wasn't an issue within the game simply, just pressing too quickly causes an apparent random rate of fire..

to try put it into context what I mean is, the rate of fire of certain guns i.e the TAR has a high rate of fire, along with the m4a1's the Hamas use, and this 'issue' never occurs, because each time you click, (sorry for not knowing the full mechanics and all.. ) but there's a round in the chamber and the gun is ready to go, where as with the rifles with slower rate of fire, i.e any of the AK's, G3 and M4's M16a4's, the first click fires a round, but the second click is too early, so a round does not go off because of the mechanics within the rifle haven't completed the action, and so there is a pause as you 'misfire' as such, which doubles the length of time between the two shots, as you intended to fire three rounds, but only two were fired (the first and third click) due to the rate of fire of the gun and the player clicking too quickly.

In fairness I could be totally wrong but, that's just what I always assumed.

[Sgt. Mahi]

It really isn't Spec. Pulling the trigger on a m16 is just as easy as clicking on a mouse... Well almost.

There really isn't any delay from thinking to pulling the trigger. Especially if you're ready to fire and already have made the "free pull" (don't know what it's called in English). If you haven't then you just pull the trigger harder and faster which reduces your aiming greatly.

[Spec]

Well, as I said, I can only guess here, having no experience with firearms, so if I'm wrong, I stand corrected. Maybe it was a mere gameplay decision.