How can MEC win in map"Burnig Sands"??

[Jolly]

In tactical,I have very a few ideas about armours.In frist wave of armour attack of MEC,we got 2 T-72,2 BMP(Maybe?).but we can not fight againist british tank,or we can only hold our line and we can not attack British Army face to face.(We have no noobs in our side and every guys tried their best!!especialy those infantries,they struggled!But we,those armours and attack helicopter,we failed them),after 20 mins, we got attack helicopter,but this kinds of helo do need some ability and luck!Within 10 mins,we lost both of 2!what's more,we tried to ambush british with a bmp and a T-72.but british armour destroyed our dream!!reload time of T-72 is a little bit longer,we fired frist,but we hit twice before we can destory that challenger.and we are disabled,even we dont have time to abandon our tank,and our screen tried black....
All i wanna say is "I need your help!!Need those elites and godlike to teach us!"

One last thing,to those infantry men,"sorry buddy,we tried and we struggled too."

Add something here:
We shoot down one AH-64D
Destroyed 4 challengers and 4 more APCs
We lost a lot more!No armour could make it back to base to resupply.......Basicaly,Everything in our main base.
But lucky,our trans helo lost 0.

[goguapsy]

What did the infantry do?

I mean, how did they struggle?

The advantages of infantry is high-mobility, and for you had a 0 loss-count for trans helos, I was wondering what happened.

[Vista]

Depends on how good the teams were, maybe the enemy was using armour wisely - losing some armour, but while you guys get busy other armour flanks you and you get caught with your pants down...

[H.Maverick]

The wonderful thing know as infantry AT-team's

[Rudd]

perhaps the flag arrangement was not in your favour, post it up and I'll take a look

[CaptainX]

Are the tanks more strong in this version? In kashan it took 4 hits to kill a t-72.

[saXoni]

How can MEC win in map"Burnig Sands"??

You make sure you don't lose as many tickets as the British team.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

It is hard as MEC on Burning Sands. The gazalles are notably inferior to the apache, I would take one apache over a thousand gazelles unless the DEVs added AA missles (Mistral maybe?) to the gazelle.
The MEC, in the start, only get two T-72 to fight against three Challengers (which are also somewhat superior to their MEC counterparts). If the BMP is used to supplement the tank's firepower you might stand a chance, but the BMP also has to deal with a couple of Warriors and a Scimitar. And even more so the flags are hugely in favor of the British no matter the arrangement. In one arrangement (when the MEC flag is in the North East corner of the map, crash site) it is possible for the British armor to race to MEC"s first flag and beat them to it, and simply set up camp while the British infantry cap behind them.

It is nearly impossible for the infantry at the start if the MEC APC's choose not to carry them because there is no other mode of fast transportation available, which means the entire game rests on ONE squad usually. The MEC trans helis do not spawn instantly for some reason but the British get helis instantly which means the British can get to the flags and out cap the MEC team quickly at the start. MEC only stands a chance if the British team is incompetent and fails to properly take advantage of their early asset superiority and also happen to waste the Apache. If the Apache is piloted by even a half way intelligent pilot the Gazelles will both go down in short order. And even if the apache misses, the amazing British AA which move faster backwards than forwards (Dunkirk in mind?), or a lucky FIM-92 shot will kill the Gazelles which are forced to fly low in order to scout and kill armor whilst the Apache can hover hundreds of meters in the air and easily avoid any ground fired AA.

[Rudd]

MEC trans helis do not spawn instantly for some reason

this has been changed for next version

Warriors and a Scimitar

which die in one hit from any tank or AGTM the BMP isn't a wire operated missle iirc either, removing the limitations that vehicles like the Bradley have

[Damian_]

This comed to my mind when reading this topic Should Germany Sell Tanks to Saudi Arabia? - TIME.

Lets give to MEC army a Loe2 tank at the begin witchout spawn.

PS when you want to destroy enemy tank from big distance shooting his front, shoot his tracks :O , 3 shoots and hes down, when front armor can take even 8.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

this has been changed for next version



which die in one hit from any tank or AGTM the BMP isn't a wire operated missle iirc either, removing the limitations that vehicles like the Bradley have

You might lose a Warrior or two, but in an armored battle --->

3 Challengers, 2 warriors, one Scimitar

(six vehicles, APC's armed with a 30mm)

Are a greater force than --->

2 T-72's, 1 BMP

(Three vehicles, BMP Can only engage one target at a time which means that while it is shooting it still has at least two APC's engaging it, and possibly a tank because the British get one more tank than the MEC team. I'm not even going to mention the 30mm MTLB in this armored line up because the MTLB is a joke, a couple clips from a SAW will kill it, might as well like 2 rounds from a 30mm RARDEN)

[Stealthgato]

I've been noticing the flag layout is always the same. Old Bunkers, Water treatment, Arar Village, Airport.

[TheComedian]

It is hard as MEC on Burning Sands. The gazalles are notably inferior to the apache, I would take one apache over a thousand gazelles unless the DEVs added AA missles (Mistral maybe?) to the gazelle.

I totally disagree with this. Skilled Gazelle pilots can be much more deadly than skilled apache pilots. Simply because of the Gazelle's awesome speed and epic maneuverability, it can dodge incoming AA missles without flares by doing a combination of barrel rolls and vertical loops.

[Stealthgato]

^ 2 Gazelles is a much better deal than one Havoc.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

I totally disagree with this. Skilled Gazelle pilots can be much more deadly than skilled apache pilots. Simply because of the Gazelle's awesome speed and epic maneuverability, it can dodge incoming AA missles without flares by doing a combination of barrel rolls and vertical loops.

If you had ever played against a skilled apache pilot/gunner you would know there would be no time to do a barrel roll or a vertical loop, might as well punching flares, you would just be in the sky one second and dead the next. And even if you DID happen to avoid two AA rockets there are also 38 Hydras to worry about, 8 hellfires, and a LOT of 30mm gunfire. Not to mention the Gazelle is no faster than the Apache and that it moves like an Elephant compared to the Apache. You would also know that the Gazelle's gunner has no down angle, so the pilot must always face the target he wishes to engage (forces the gazelle to either dive on targets or get low, flying at 1000-1500m like an apache will do your team no good because your gunner cannot shoot or properly utilize lases). So far in this version I have shot down 20+ gazelles for the loss of 0 Apache helicopters.

[LieutenantNessie]

The BMP on that map is amazing. You just gotta flank and flank with the BMP, I remember a round on Bruning Sands where I was the gunner, we took out 4 Challangers, 2 warriors, a bit of infantry and a Chinook. We always surprised the enemy Challangers with ATGM+AP spam and the warriors don't stand a chance against a BMP. Therefore, if you use the BMP correctly it might change the whole tide of the game

[Q2M100]

^ 2 Gazelles is a much better deal than one Havoc.

Agreed.

It isn't like it is a total loss for the MEC. I have played and won as the MEC with my clan. It all boils down to which team is better.

[TheComedian]

Not to mention the Gazelle is no faster than the Apache and that it moves like an Elephant compared to the Apache

Not sure if serious...

So far in this version I have shot down 20+ gazelles for the loss of 0 Apache helicopters.

Personal experience. I have seen a single gazelle decimate the GB team and the apaches were powerless to stop it. The pilots just popped from the clouds deal death and barrel roll their way back to helipad.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

The BMP on that map is amazing. You just gotta flank and flank with the BMP, I remember a round on Bruning Sands where I was the gunner, we took out 4 Challangers, 2 warriors, a bit of infantry and a Chinook. We always surprised the enemy Challangers with ATGM+AP spam and the warriors don't stand a chance against a BMP. Therefore, if you use the BMP correctly it might change the whole tide of the game

So essentially, as in my first post. The game is usually decided by one squad, which imo is rather.... wrong for a PR map. I'm not saying that MEC can't win, it is just that the map's assets are horribly stacked against the MEC team. If MEC wants to win they must not just be equal to the British, they must be far superior players and incredibly coordinated in comparison, preferably via a 3rd party VOIP system (Ventrilo, TS, Mumble, etc.). If the British team has the same skill level as the MEC team the British will win every time hands down.

[TheComedian]

I think we should wait until the feedback forum is reopened before giving feedback on maps.