Medic Self Healing: I liked it in .966

[TheComedian]

Nope...everyone else but the medic is rambo....as it has always been.

Every kit can be a rambo kit in the right hands, but medics used to be the most convenient since you could retreat and heal yourself in a corner indefinitely.

A person can rambo with a pilot kit if he's good with a pistol. The key is not to get shot and let the enemy come to you.

[Gracler]

Every kit can be a rambo kit in the right hands, but medics used to be the most convenient since you could retreat and heal yourself in a corner indefinitely.

A person can rambo with a pilot kit if he's good with a pistol. The key is not to get shot and let the enemy come to you.

what i really meant was that If the medic is alive, and his patient is till on his feet, he can heal wounds on unlimited amount of people......he is a walking hospital frankly.....

but people still think the MEDIC is the Rambo class since he can heal himself about 3 times.

[Rollonio]

I play medic quite often and think that 12 might be a little excessive and like Rudd's idea of 9 but I also agree with Whiskey that I liked the version where you had to switch kits and have teammates heal you, it added to teamplay imo.

One thing to remember though is that the medic's patches aren't just there to heal yourself. Unless you are in full cover and with no enemy's nearby, you should always drop a patch on your patient before reviving so that he isn't black/white once revived and can run, not stagger for cover as well as cover you effectively. When i play medic, virtually all my patches are used during revives.

[Mellanbror]

I get what OP was saying. As "the constant medic" that I am, I found .966 to be more challenging and fun.

Effective squads needed to play a tighter game and less reckless. Having a steady supplyline had become more essential to survival. Before taking on new missions, everyone had to refill their kits (It was prefered to use downed SM's own fielddressing).
As a medic you did not want to overuse "fastrevive", you needed to save dressings for yourself if things got bad.
So it came down to securing perimiter around the wounded for a safer revive. Teamwork.

Also, the switching of kits when you got wounded yourself made squads more aware of the need for tighter gameplay. Only downside with this method was (is?) that kits dissapears in the ground, on some maps, upon drop. Helping/healing the original medic does sound like a reality thing. I'm sure the troops out there are willing to lend a hand when needed. This is PR version of it

IMO, medkit was overpowered pre .966. Take a hit, patch up and re-engage. And it did not have any effect on squad if I got hit. I could just patch myself up fast in cover.
In .966 it made an effect.

Players don't want nerfed downed kits. Everyone (sry, speaking genrelly here) playing any role want their kit/asset to be powered up instead. E.g More/better rockets for Cobra! Did yall notice when lmg was nerfed down in devation, how it became a less wanted kit?

So ofc most players don't want medkit nerfed. Not the medics, they dont want to be less powerful, who does?. And the SM's dont, because then they have to be more concerned about surviving and pitching in with the medic-aspects of the game, instead of laying at their sweet spot, with the marksman kit lining up kills.

I think it just needed some time for it to work better. Especially now since I read that kit-dissapearing was fixed on some maps.

Thx for reading

With respect / Mellanbror

[WhiskeyHotel]

@Mellanbror

I agree with your opinion, and like what you said/meant by "tighter gameplay". I like that, and that's exactly what it's like. Because when I'm a medic and soloing it, I'm honestly, completely useless, but when I'm with my squad, and we're working together, I can tell them that I need one of them to pick up my kit and heal me... I always say "I need a medic" and I always get, "You are a medic, dumbass". :/

[TheComedian]

In .96 the kit simply became a hassle so squad leaders often didn't have one in the squad, instead opting to regroup with a rally instead of getting tied down with reviving and kit switching.

It's all fine if you have a full squad to back you up, not so much when you are the only survivor, you have no more bandages and the enemy is hunting you.

Did yall notice when lmg was nerfed down in devation, how it became a less wanted kit?

The LMG is a sniper as it is now and its very demanded.

[WhiskeyHotel]

The LMG is a sniper as it is now and its very demanded.

I don't usually hear people fighting over the kit, but one things for sure, the one who's using it, is the one who leads in kills on the team...

[Killer2354]

I actually liked the amount of field dressings the medic had in .966. It made you take more precautions (which a good medic would do anyway imo) than you did pre .966. As a medic, I was always cautious, careful to not get myself shot. That worked out for the squads, allowing the squad to stay alive longer and only need ammo later, not in the middle of a fight. I think 9 patches is too many- starts getting towards the line of rambo medics again (12 is WAY too many). Just my 1 cent.

[WhiskeyHotel]

I actually liked the amount of field dressings the medic had in .966.

How many was that? Because I never got any.

[goguapsy]

How many was that? Because I never got any.

Six, 6.

[LongHairedHuman]

The medic was way more fun in .966. If no one wanted to be medic, I generaly went as one. Also, you must not see the medic as a other kind of soldier, but rather a normal pr soldier with a medic kiit. The medic medic is just a tad more important than your usual grunt rifleman. 6 patches brings that aspect more forward.

[_casualtyUR]

I just installed .97 yesterday, so I've not seen much medic action but ...

With the 12 patch medic, has anyone seen the vBF2 tactic of spreading patches area a battlefield? I know they dont last long in the environment but 5 or 10 minutes is a long time during a firefight.

[Gracler]

I just installed .97 yesterday, so I've not seen much medic action but ...

With the 12 patch medic, has anyone seen the vBF2 tactic of spreading patches area a battlefield? I know they dont last long in the environment but 5 or 10 minutes is a long time during a firefight.

afaik when you drop the 2nd patch the first patch is vanishing....like with the ammo bags. So ofcourse you can drop 1 patch and it will stay there for a min or so....but it not really a thing you can say that you "spread" around.

[Spec]

True, there can only be one patch per player at a time.

[Mellanbror]

In .96 the kit simply became a hassle so squad leaders often didn't have one in the squad, instead opting to regroup with a rally instead of getting tied down with reviving and kit switching.

It's all fine if you have a full squad to back you up, not so much when you are the only survivor, you have no more bandages and the enemy is hunting you.



The LMG is a sniper as it is now and its very demanded.

Why would one lead a squad without a medic, or join a squad without one? The most important kit, in any version of PR. Life itself.
Regrouping with rally instead, what a waste of tickets. Tickets in my book is a teamasset, not to be wasted. Don't you play with people who want to win or practice the art of teamwork?

@ comment about lmg: I see your join-year is 2011. You might have played for longer, as for me, I've played PR since 2007 something but joined forums as late as 2009.
Point is, that as you may or may not know, LMG used to be alot more fierce. It's not just deviation, but settlingtime etc.
I think that the current version of LMG is the best one sofar. Most balanced. Hardly a sniper IMO or others whom I know their opinion on the subject.
LMG is a good weapon, as IRL. If an nme has it deployed and aimed at your location, do not think that you can or should be able to fight him on equal terms. Thats what you have SM's and tactics for.

Yes, 6 fielddressings and there can only be one on the ground from a specific kit at a time. You drop a second, the first will dissapear. However, you could pick up another kit, and drop that kits dressing aswell. Amount is linked to kit, not player.

Cheers, its friday =) / "the constant medic"

[WhiskeyHotel]

The medic medic is just a tad more important than your usual grunt rifleman. 6 patches brings that aspect more forward.

I think all classes are all equally important in all honesty.

Because despite a medic being able to bring guns back to the fight, the rifleman can resupply with ammo, so if the combtants don't go down, the combatants can fire longer. Rifleman Specialists can not only get troops on an elevated flank, but can breach doors to find cache's. Automatic Riflemen have a quality of their own, and so on and so forth. Medics, no doubt; probably are more useful of a class, but I think in the long run, all classes working together can be far more deadly than an enemy team.

[TheComedian]

Why would one lead a squad without a medic, or join a squad without one? The most important kit, in any version of PR. Life itself.
Regrouping with rally instead, what a waste of tickets. Tickets in my book is a teamasset, not to be wasted. Don't you play with people who want to win or practice the art of teamwork?

Leaving wounded behind is not as bad as you think. When you go back to revive the medic there is a huge chance that half your squad will die in the attempt, since the enemy knows that you will try to revive your fallen squadmember.

Compare the advantage of moving swiftly without getting bogged down in unnecessary firefights and losing 2 tickets, to attempting a revival of downed mate, securing the area (might take up to 5 minutes) and/or losing several men by the same enemy that took the first casualty.

Speed and stealth is a much bigger element in a match than 1 feeble ticket. Your squad might take the enemy completely by surprise and inflict more ticket damage to the enemy team. Keep that in mind.

[Mikemonster]

Back OT, 12 patches is rediculous and once again we will have people 'soloing' the Medic kit. In 0.95 you could get it on a dive server, lonewolf, and rack up 6 kills to your one death, even though you'd get shot perhaps four times.

A RamboMedic in a corner is worse than a badger, because he has the ability to keep himself alive even if you shoot him. If you are in a T-building and a lone RamboMedic is opposite you in the other T-Building, you are going to have a right pain in the arse. I should know because sometimes on Skirmish I do it.

Basically the Medic kit was an exploit. They fixed it, and everyone whinged because they couldn't exploit it, so they have given the Medic a zillion patches.

On the rare occasion that I ran out of patches reviving full squads, it would be a case of going to a crate to get some more (i.e. resupplying). Seemed realistic to me.

[Kain888]

Back OT, 12 patches is rediculous and once again we will have people 'soloing' the Medic kit. In 0.95 you could get it on a dive server, lonewolf, and rack up 6 kills to your one death, even though you'd get shot perhaps four times.

A RamboMedic in a corner is worse than a badger, because he has the ability to keep himself alive even if you shoot him. If you are in a T-building and a lone RamboMedic is opposite you in the other T-Building, you are going to have a right pain in the arse. I should know because sometimes on Skirmish I do it.

Basically the Medic kit was an exploit. They fixed it, and everyone whinged because they couldn't exploit it, so they have given the Medic a zillion patches.

On the rare occasion that I ran out of patches reviving full squads, it would be a case of going to a crate to get some more (i.e. resupplying). Seemed realistic to me.

This sums it pretty nicely. I like when enemy actually is afraid of being hit and hitting means something, at least switching kits and making it harder for enemy. Normally hitting enemy would mean making him hardly operational at least. In PR they can instant heal with medic bag. 6 patches were fine. I hope they will revert it so we can have 6 patches and so self heal for medic again, was way better.

[TheComedian]

.96 certainly changed my medic style for the better. I often took the medic kit from an armor or transport squad, tagged along blue squads on mumble and acting as the second medic. 12 field dressings are too much at this point. Reducing them to 9 would imho make a great balance between realism and gameplay.