People dont use their assets

[saXoni]

Also there is this cool new toy that lets you see a huge part of the battlefield and it can even laze targets without being seen or shot down!
Too bad it's ridiculously underrated at the moment.

Unfortunately this kind of forces you to also lead the troops.

[Bufl4x]

Unfortunately this kind of forces you to also lead the troops.

Or if you have some half decent SLs, you can just sit back in your comfy little tent and provide intel to your team and hope they make the best out of it.
A commander who only fills that role to use the UAV and keep his team updated on enemy movements is still better than no commander at all.

[KiloJules]

^ This very true indeed - having a commander (who doesn't lead) still makes the whole deal about marking stuff way easier. I love it to mark an enemy (I'll attack/observe mark it anyway for my squadmates all the time) and send the Contact Report to the commander, press V and tell him really quick "Target x at my attack marker"...he slaps the marker on it and there we go...no selecting radio, dialing distance and so forth.

If he then uses the UAV aswell we are golden. It is a very powerful tool. Never thought about him lazing though - probably cause I don't need stuff to be lazed

[speedhound1-WYD-]

when i squad lead i paint targets all the time, usually however when i say in SL channel "30mm MTLB lazed at docks etc etc" the response is almost always "on the carrier reloading flares, sorry"
CAS that isn't ready aint CAS.
standoff more, be ready more and stop doing that 'swoop down on the enemy' tactic that eats your precious flares and of course use your thermal imaging and your map to use weapon slot 2 and 3.

[chilean]

It would depent on the server, for example Nwa server ,Silent Eagle, we were Germans and i was flying the eurofighter Typhoon since i started flying i never got shot down, i destroy a mig , Havoks, APCs, tanks, infantry on CAS runs , and all that was succesfull because the SL were lasing the targets and giving information.

(Although sometimes people make mistakes and ends up lasing a friendly tank, killed curry-chicken and his gunner on that one xD)

[splatters]

Every time there is CAS available and I'm leading an infantry squad, I will be lazing every target that I see worth lazing. (=any vehicle or group of infantry in relatively open area) People that get their squads slaughtered time and time again never take the initiative to reley enemy locations to other squads or laze for C A S disgust me.

However, more often than not as speedhound pointed above the CAS isn't ready or takes 1-2 minutes to respond, usually the target is long gone by then. Infantry squads are the backbone of the team and the most effective to laze enemy targets, assuming that they are lazing, but they need their targets to be taken out ASAP before the target is gone or the SL gets killed. Dedicated spotters are different in this sense since they are usually in a safe distance from the target and don't have to engage any other targets.

[Redamare]

well . .. on some servers people dont want to waste the tickets if they feel that the squads wont support their efforts flying around just to get shot down. yes its fun to use assets but without the support by the inf it can sometimes be useless. and can cost your team a round

[Sgt. Mahi]

when i squad lead i paint targets all the time, usually however when i say in SL channel "30mm MTLB lazed at docks etc etc" the response is almost always "on the carrier reloading flares, sorry"
CAS that isn't ready aint CAS.
standoff more, be ready more and stop doing that 'swoop down on the enemy' tactic that eats your precious flares and of course use your thermal imaging and your map to use weapon slot 2 and 3.

This is actually very true. CAS pilots can't stand if there are no lazed targets for them within 2 minutes and then they just go in and do the attacks them self while complaining nobody is lazing any targets. And what happens when they fly home for reloading? CAS is actually needed!! Pilots needs to learn to be more patient in general. They often act like 'nilla players.

[ubernuka]

This is actually very true. CAS pilots can't stand if there are no lazed targets for them within 2 minutes and then they just go in and do the attacks them self while complaining nobody is lazing any targets. And what happens when they fly home for reloading? CAS is actually needed!! Pilots needs to learn to be more patient in general. They often act like 'nilla players.

Too Too true.I had a spell of lasing everything but sooooo many times it just gets ignored for whatever reason. And then you get dry humped for standing there with an ltd. And then the pilot starts asking for lazes.

[Zpoilt]

On the flipside of the coin: 99% of the times I actually laze a target as a squad leader, CAS is not there to support.

[Lord Jesus]

I believe there are reasons why people do not use all their assets.

One, people don't know how to, majority of Squad Leaders only know how to build fobs, emplacements, maybe know how to drop a rally point. They don't know they can mark targets on the map with the spotting. Or request support actions like artillery or CAS. I think if PR team had youtube help videos like they have for PR ARMA 2. More people would learn.

Two, it's a two way system, you have to request, then someone has to answer your call. Most people assume, it's not gonna come on the other end. And most people do not want to type it out in team chat. The VOIP is limited to squads, and people outside of the squads are usually the ones flying the CAS or doing their own thing.

Three, their already dead, you just haven't realized it yet. The big SL marker on the map that shows a number doesn't always mean they are alive and there. If you check your command map, you can see the status of the squad.

[billysmall44]

Same problem different asset. I absolutly love doing mortar shit. So i spend like hella time getting it all set up. digging mortar pits. getting ammo. then i sit there for ever waiting for some guy to be like mortar squad leader or whatever bla bla bla blow them away, waste em, whatever
Assets get wasted. and thats a fact. Think of a game were every asset was being used in unison. Helicopters getting lazes... mortars getting fire missions... infantry cache hunting, or whatever. Commander doing... commander stuff. Everyone communicating. mumble. No noobs. ah..

just came.

anyway there should be bonus bonus points for correct and mature asset usage. Or we should just be more effective at using it. and remember, always thank the people who are supporting you with their asset. feels good bro. keeps us going

[Lord Jesus]

Same problem different asset. I absolutly love doing mortar shit. So i spend like hella time getting it all set up. digging mortar pits. getting ammo. then i sit there for ever waiting for some guy to be like mortar squad leader or whatever bla bla bla blow them away, waste em, whatever
Assets get wasted. and thats a fact. Think of a game were every asset was being used in unison. Helicopters getting lazes... mortars getting fire missions... infantry cache hunting, or whatever. Commander doing... commander stuff. Everyone communicating. mumble. No noobs. ah..

just came.

anyway there should be bonus bonus points for correct and mature asset usage. Or we should just be more effective at using it. and remember, always thank the people who are supporting you with their asset. feels good bro. keeps us going

Try creating your own Sq and just call it INF. Then command 2 of your sq-mates to use the mortars while you use a 4-man INF unit. I did this earlier today, and the results feel so rewarding, especially when you call in Mortars and watch a enemy MG position get taken out, then you move in and sweep up the survivors who are straggling to patch themselves or take cover. Trust me, sometimes using your own SQ to do the asset work turns out better, because you have VOIP.

[billysmall44]

I totally have tried that. but then people are like "whoa you want us to shoot mortars while you target designate? im grabbin your sniper kit, peace out"

i think ive had it work a few times. and your right definatly is rewarding. but it seems the majority of the time you tell them what were going to be doing they dont want any part of it.

[Murphy]

@billy - I wouldn't join an inf squad if I wanted to do mortars. If there is no mortars, I'll make a squad.

You can't just lump players and their play styles on one side of the argument or another and figure that's how it works.

Some players get into an asset and flip balls going off killing stuff in areas of zero importance, others will fly their havoc way high up and wait for a target to be called in and lazed appropriately. There are some who could either play aggressively or conservatively at any given moment dictated entirely by the phase and alignment of the moon.

What I'm trying to say is don't get frustrated when someone chooses to exercise poor team work for the sake of their own enjoyment. It doesn't happen all the time, and when it does there isn't much we can do other then posting long winded threads after the fact.

[billysmall44]

Well i think the main root of the problem is people just want to kill as many guys on the other team as possible. So they dont want to waste time with assets that they think are useless. nothing i can do about that though.

[Killer2354]

Well the problem I see half the time when I'm squad leading and placing markers/ lases, the CAS either completely ignores me, comes in to late, or uses the wrong ammo type even though I told them the target and what to use over mumble/ GLTD radio options (yes, it's there for a reason and when we ask for cannons, we don't mean hellfire missiles).

[Rudd]

There are lots of considerations on using assets, if the enemy's AT or AA is really well manned that round, I'd definately prefer the Armour or Air stayed at home and transfered into different roles until its safer.

I do get annoyed with heli cas in particular sometimes, I ask for cannon and get missiles, I ask for missiles and get laser guided missiles instead etc. Its always annoying if you ask for CAS and it gets shot down by hidden AA, and its apparently automatically my fault

Though playing on my favourite servers I don't get that very often at all, but there are definately a few servers out there that would really benefit from playing the 16/32 layers of maps, since their teamwork levels simply aren't up to the point where assets actually add to gameplay

I do see some great infantry-CAS teamwork sometimes, I've been the victim of it several times

on TG shija valley the Z10 was clearly under the control of an infantry squad mounted in trucks, my infantry squad started engaging teh trucks thinking its safe....the Z10 comes in less than 15 seconds and cannons us all to death great teamwork there - a perfect example of how a chopper can provide intimate support where a jet cannot.

There is also the consideration of someone watching the map at main, and noticing that little blue dots keep disappearing, but the squads are not doing anything about it - not calling cas or anything....but not pulling back either.

Really the OP's problem was a symptom of what happens to alot of squads imo, tunnel vision. They see the building they want to defend, the see the enemy in front and they just are locked into the repeating actions of shoot/die/spawn/ instead of call for support/retreat


its the simple actions that PR players have problems with sometimes, just running away is probably the simpliest thing to do - but the harest thing to get pubbies to do

[Murphy]

A lot of times CAS pilots will loiter around waiting for the enemy chopper to make a target of himself, a lot of times both teams have their CAS doing this. If you call CAS and he tells you "No." for whatever reason, keep in mind he made a judgement call based on his situation 800 meters above you. There are a lot of times someone will see his inf biting it and sadly enough they know that attempting to save you will result in the loss of their asset. It's another story if your CAS is not supporting you when your team dominates the sky, but in the end that just means they are busy elsewhere.

Unless they just suck.....

[Vista]

A lot of times CAS pilots will loiter around waiting for the enemy chopper to make a target of himself, a lot of times both teams have their CAS doing this. If you call CAS and he tells you "No." for whatever reason, keep in mind he made a judgement call based on his situation 800 meters above you. There are a lot of times someone will see his inf biting it and sadly enough they know that attempting to save you will result in the loss of their asset. It's another story if your CAS is not supporting you when your team dominates the sky, but in the end that just means they are busy elsewhere.

Unless they just suck.....

Well, if you have a CAS target and the CAS says no, hes a bad pilot.

For example, I was playing on NWA, I was about to do a Hydra run in an apache in kashan, a sq leader tells me "Vista I need CAS NAO" and I said" Make it quick".

He lazed, I do a tight curve ( ) BAM 8 kills.

Thats how its done, sq leader lazes are the priority over your own expeculated targets as they are dying out ther, even if a sniper lazes, INF sq leader has the priority as he might die and hes out in the field.