Lack of Mumble users in PR community. Ideas?

[Orford]

Thats why we encourage mumble, not kick for not using it just show what a powerful tool it can be.

But when players see what the other ppl who are using mumble are doing and want to be a part of it that can only be a good thing.

Just assualted a hard and well defended cache with 3 inf squads on kokan. We got organised with mortar squad CAS and APC and even when squad memberes were taken down by then defenders. The squad members who were left banded togeather using mumble and finished the job. The medics then revived and the 3 squads who went in got the cache and went out alive. If you dont find that appealing then im at a loss on how else to promote mumble.

I know of player who join the sl channel to hear what is going on and how to organise a attack or support with heavy assets. This give more confidence for when they chose to squad lead.

[sr.bambino]

In PR, the team that has better communication usually wins. If team 1 has a significantly larger pop. on their mumble channel over team 2, I'll always put my money on team 1.

By the way, I just had a pretty good experience on the NwA server last night using mumble. My whole squad had mumble and that was solid, but no other SL's were on the SL channel and I think that is most important.

One crappy thing was during a round some a-hole was spamming beavus and butthead to the entire channel... it sucked.

I think we as a community should encourage people to get on mumble. Put mumble in your squad names and be polite when telling people to get associated with mumble.

[Tte.oteo]

Affirm - Yes

Negative - No

Reading you Five / Loud and clear - I understand what you say 5x5.

Over - I have finished talking and I am listening for your reply. Short for "Over to you." Kindly stop interrupting me, I'll tell you when I'm done

Out - I have finished talking to you and do not expect a reply. Go away, we both have the required information

Roger - I understand what you just said.

Copy - I heard what you just said.

Wilco - Will comply (after receiving new directions).
Go ahead or Send your traffic ? Send your transmission. dont just garble at me, wait until I'm reading to recieve

Say again - Please repeat your last message (Repeat is only used in US military radio terminology to request additional artillery fire)

Break - Signals a pause during a long transmission to open the channel for other transmissions, especially for allowing any potential emergency traffic to get through. if you must give us the life history of you and your cat Tiddles, then please stop to take a breath so more important info can get through without it sounding like the jeremy kyle show

Break-Break - Signals to all listeners on the frequency, the message to follow is priority. Almost always reserved for emergency traffic or in NATO forces, an urgent 9 line* or Frag-O. if your information is an absolute must and top priority above all else then let us know (this does not include getting shot at by armour, finding a FOB etc. but more lasing top priority targets and such

Standby or Wait one - Pause for the next transmission. This usually entails staying off the air until the operator returns after a short wait.

Mayday - Maritime/aviation distress call. Repeated three times and at beginning of every following transmission relating to the current distress situation. Has priority over urgency and safety calls.

I've cut out bits which are useless, what's left can all be used in game with a very good effect, to cut out the schoolkids classroom effect that royally pisses off those genuine tacticians and teamplayers

*9 Line = Coordinates and information for attack on a ground target from an aerial unit, useful to include (in PR):

• what is the hostile and its immediate surroundings/vital info "Hostile tank next to a two storey building"
• The advised direction the aircraft should travel to make their attack "Make you're attack bearing 090 East"
• Any hostiles worth mentioning that may adversely effect his attack run marked in relation to the target point (think about this one before you give him the heading) "Handheld anti air 700m SE"
• Which way should the plane escape following the attack run "Egress North"
• Any further advise on what weapon to use etc.

*sigh* at least I can dream



Trudat

sorry for not read all, but someone rode this post? totally agree in this type of radio use... a little tuto of how use mumnble would be really nice!

[Cassius]

Play on servers where they do use mumble. The sisu server, which is up when the Finns arent busy racing rallies or drinking, tactical gamer and the NWA seem to have a lot of mumble users. When I was squadleading there I had CAS buzzing overhead everytime I reported a shadow

In PR, the team that has better communication usually wins. If team 1 has a significantly larger pop. on their mumble channel over team 2, I'll always put my money on team 1.

I made the same experience. Once I led my squad against an fortified FOB. Despite a good effort it didnt work out. So I was all like



And radioed for an airstrike on the enemy position. After we killed off the 2 survivors a tank of revenge came on about. After I convinced my squad that it is not a good idea to stand in front a tank, I radioed in for an airstrike again, which took care of the tank.

Now if I try text or markers, good luck getting an aistrike.

On another occasion we were fighting on fools road and warned each other about enemy movements. Everytime the enemy moved in on a squad, the squad was deployed and picked them off.

[SmoothIsFast6]

there is no argument and no contest

without mumble you are useless, with mumble we can use you even if you're still a noob

things like hey whats all the noise over here, fellow mumbler says oh just 3 enemy down that alley, ok, said player runs down alley and gets 3 kills.. (omg someones going to say k/d lover gtfo)

now that same thing without mumbler, hey whats all that noise? *hears nothing* runs opposite way down alley and gets shot in the back 3 times...

why is there such a big deal about it? use mumble nuff said

[Noergaard]

So all agree on the beauty of mumble, Wicked! Just feel like sharing a small anecdote..
I was fighting with a small mumble inf. squad on Shijia Valley. We were walking through some dense forest not expecting too much action and chatting casually on mumble.
All the sudden we take small arms fire and get suppressed. With all the trees it was hard to point out the enemy, and as we began to take casualties our hopes faltered.
Then all the sudden a nearby friendly tank hears our SL request for support (on mumble) and comes for our aid.
I clearly remember this, ‘cus the tank was playing some heave rock on local mumble as it came to our aid. Not to encourage music on mumble at all.. But that was freaking awesome!

[Brainlaag]

So all agree on the beauty of mumble, Wicked! Just feel like sharing a small anecdote..
I was fighting with a small mumble inf. squad on Shijia Valley. We were walking through some dense forest not expecting too much action and chatting casually on mumble.
All the sudden we take small arms fire and get suppressed. With all the trees it was hard to point out the enemy, and as we began to take casualties our hopes faltered.
Then all the sudden a nearby friendly tank hears our SL request for support (on mumble) and comes for our aid.
I clearly remember this, ?cus the tank was playing some heave rock on local mumble as it came to our aid. Not to encourage music on mumble at all.. But that was freaking awesome!

LOLZ that was me and DonDoom xD Another point, stream music through Mumble to raise the moral . Don't get me wrong, we are never spamming only playing when we are alone or other people are pleased by it.

[Wicca]

Can someone give a constructive suggestion on how to promote mumble?

[Brainlaag]

Can someone give a constructive suggestion on how to promote mumble?

Rape their face with the banhammer till they join it, worked for me .

[DonDOOM]

Hehe, I love it when people comment on us playing music over mumble, as it's usually pretty positive.
As Brain said, we never spam, and when people ask us to stop, we comply.

Rape their face with the banhammer till they join it, worked for me .

And this x2

[Cassius]

Can someone give a constructive suggestion on how to promote mumble?

Join a mumble server, join the side that has most mumble users. Beat the non mumble team on a frequent basis and point out their lack of mumble, coordination, resulting information lack and hampered teamwork. Also if somebody complains about spammers point out you can mute certain players.

[Noergaard]

Can someone give a constructive suggestion on how to promote mumble?

There are lots of constructive suggestions if you to read the thread. I highlighted a simple suggestion from FelipeFR earlier. I believe the most efficient way to promote mumble is by individually spreading the word in an encouraging non-users to join. Be fair to people who don't use mumble, but at same time introduce them and let them know how awesome mumble is.

earlier Quote:
Originally Posted by FelipeFR
If Teamwork itself is encouraged to new players that may be trying to be lonewolf but then discover how wonderful a teamwork-oriented game can be, why don't we do the same with Mumble?
I would say that Felipe here has the most reasonable suggestion of all. If you work as a SL or similar encourage team members to join mumble. From my own experience the thing keeping me from having mumble in the first place, was a lack of knowledge and encouragement.

Allot of arguing in these forums, seems to miss the point that most of the people who take the time to install PR and learn the game are cool and nice people from all over the world who enjoy teamplay and intense firefights!

So let?s get our acts together and spread the word of mumble in an encouraging and constructive manner!

Cus' we all know, mumble is the fine salt that makes the game freaking amazing, it?s a shame so many miss out on it

[Noergaard]

LOLZ that was me and DonDoom xD Another point, stream music through Mumble to raise the moral . Don't get me wrong, we are never spamming only playing when we are alone or other people are pleased by it.

Word! I felt like being in a Vietnam war movie! And its not an issue with music when you keep it on local, and respect it if other people complain. In the right situation I must say it gives a whole new layer to the game

[Wicca]

I think the number of mumble users is growing.

I would not mind if f.ex. NEW and NwA actually enforced mumble. And then ]CIA[ in the US started enforcing it aswell.

Just do it basically.

[Nixy23]

Wicca, you know as well as we do that actually enforcing mumble takes the piss for the admins. Without a proper way to cross check in-game users with mumble users, it's a stupid amount of work to do such a thing. Plus, people don't always use 100% the same name in-game and on mumble. This makes it even harder to check.

We also need to keep track of the realism part here. Not the realism of the game or the realism of the fighting, but the realism that not everyone that plays PR has a military background. Not everyone knows the NATO alphabet, not everyone knows proper military conduct over radio channels. I agree that there's some spam on SL channel, and that sometimes we can do with a lot less pointless chatter. Just need the next version of mumble to make it so that individual squadleaders can talk to other individual squadleaders.


As for a way to promote it:

- Mention mumble in the manual. Preferably somewhere at the front of things. Like a "before you start playing, fix your mumble! And this is how you do it:"
Make a small how-to in the manual, to make sure people know how to set it up, make a keybinding, know which keybind does what. Make sure people know how to connect, how to join a server. It might seem simple, but people that never worked with such a program can be really lost.

- Do not make the installer ask for the person to install mumble, but automatically install it, without dialogue.

- Actually fix mumble. People are complaining that they can't use it. That it crashes. That they keep getting unlinked. Running it as administrator is something that people don't want to, can't do, or simply forget to do. I know that you can set it up so it disables Aero, and that it runs in compatibility mode for Windows XP, but lot's of people don't. But it isn't pretty. It shouldn't be needed to do such a thing to make a program work.

If something takes too much effort to set up people will not bother with it!

As a small side note: remove the 'beta' part from the name. People apparently don't want to run it because it's 'beta' software. It's a mo'Fking stupid reason, yeah I agree, but people will look for any sort of reason to not do something. If you can eliminate it by doing something as simple as removing a word, we're one step closer.

[Brainlaag]

Wicca, you know as well as we do that actually enforcing mumble takes the piss for the admins. Without a proper way to cross check in-game users with mumble users, it's a stupid amount of work to do such a thing. Plus, people don't always use 100% the same name in-game and on mumble. This makes it even harder to check.

I can speak for myself after some rounds on the 128 in which I admined alone, that I had 100% of mumble usage, while also managing all kind of other issues. Yes it was hard but more because I was alone and had to check both teams, a totally 120+ players. The problem here is more within the administration section, as too many see admin-rights as a privilege they can use whenever they want, instead having the commitment to sit back and do it as job. Much offtopic but many issues could be solved if the new generation of admins was able to understand what it means to be an admin and stop d*cking around.

The new release of Mumble should fix alot of the bureaucratic stuff with the teams ingame.

[Hannes_Sbg]

Many clans and coummunities use TS or Mumble 1.2.3. PrMumble isnt a substitution for them, its an addition. For me this means having 7 differend buttons for communication (3 Mumble 1.2.3, 2 PrMumble, 2 VOIP). I got used to it, others refuse to..
PrMumble can be powerfull if SLs use it, but its - most of the time - useless noise for my squadmates. I need my squad to be focused and listen to the battlefield, not have to listen to the blabla of the squad next to us. If they need something from my squad, they can ask me and I will order my man. You can call it chain of command or whatever. When Im SL I order my man, not the guy popping up and telling my medic to come with him. If they cant here the guy they wont get tempted to do so.

You dont have to share my opinien. All Im asking for is tolerance. Is the all-have-to-be-on-mumble-rule really that important? Wouldnt a all-SLs-have-to-be-on-mumble-rule do the job?
The hole enforcing idea is - in my opinion - ****. You are already splitting the community - at least the german speaking. There are enough communities with their own servers who wont commit to PrMumble 0.5.

And by the way, they will do the work to explain those players without a mic, why they should get one - you kick them

[Brainlaag]

Many clans and coummunities use TS or Mumble 1.2.3. PrMumble isnt a substitution for them, its an addition. For me this means having 7 differend buttons for communication (3 Mumble 1.2.3, 2 PrMumble, 2 VOIP). I got used to it, others refuse to..
PrMumble can be powerfull if SLs use it, but its - most of the time - useless noise for my squadmates. I need my squad to be focused and listen to the battlefield, not have to listen to the blabla of the squad next to us. If they need something from my squad, they can ask me and I will order my man. You can call it chain of command or whatever. When Im SL I order my man, not the guy popping up and telling my medic to come with him. If they cant here the guy they wont get tempted to do so.

You dont have to share my opinien. All Im asking for is tolerance. Is the all-have-to-be-on-mumble-rule really that important? Wouldnt a all-SLs-have-to-be-on-mumble-rule do the job?
The hole enforcing idea is - in my opinion - ****. You are already splitting the community - at least the german speaking. There are enough communities with their own servers who wont commit to PrMumble 0.5.

And by the way, they will do the work to explain those players without a mic, why they should get one - you kick them

Sometimes the "Blueguy, watch your left, guy behind corner", or "GRENADE!" can be essential for even victory, and its an incredible help for medics to find downed teammates, that are lost in a grassfield or covered by other 10 corpses. Not only the SLs but mainly the grunts benefit from it.

[speedhound1-WYD-]

@ Brain, so you go through every name on the game server and compare it to every name on the mumble server ?

so admins shouldn't play PR then they should mearly be data cross checkers ?

bs

how to promote mumble is easy peasy.

all mumbling squad leaders put mumble in your squad title/kick those people who join your squad without mumble.

if your feeling benevolent don't kick them but show them and explain to them through VOIP what exactly they are missing. wait a day and watch as you have created another mumbler.

also more mumble admins could help

speed