Lack of Mumble users in PR community. Ideas?

[PLODDITHANLEY]

@Speed

I've admined PRTA up to 100% mumble many times. (Twin screens vital).

Join half way three quarters through a round do the job, once it is at 100% the players will generally !r any non mumblers or non responders in game.

Yes it's a pain but worth it IMHO

[Brainlaag]

@ Brain, so you go through every name on the game server and compare it to every name on the mumble server ?

so admins shouldn't play PR then they should mearly be data cross checkers ?

bs

how to promote mumble is easy peasy.

all mumbling squad leaders put mumble in your squad title/kick those people who join your squad without mumble.

if your feeling benevolent don't kick them but show them and explain to them through VOIP what exactly they are missing. wait a day and watch as you have created another mumbler.

also more mumble admins could help

speed

What Plodd said, I'm not kicking them without warning I'm also sitting sometimes just in a squad called "Mumble help" or whatever to explain everyone what it is and how to set it up. Then I start kicking, which is very helpful to remove those, who refuse to use it, because of whatever reason. This amount of commitment should have every admin, sitting one round/day back is really not a big deal.

Also BS is how most of the bureaucratic stuff gets done on the play, thus open to mistakes and errors.
Seriously especially clans with big membership should have no problems in terms of adminstration, 2 admins are more than enough to address any issues if they sit back and try to fix it. The next day you switch with someone and then you can play without worries and only check stuff which happens in your vicinity.

How often do you see this nowdays? Its a goddamn rarity.

Now don't start with some gibberish, like "you don't know how it is to admin", don't forget, I do that every weekend.

Its a basic idea of Karma, everything you do, will come back on you in the same manner.

But everyone has his own "image" of how to administrate properly...

[Wicca]

I remember adminning the 128. I essentially spawned joined squad 1. And told everyone i was the admin, and explained them that they had to be in mumble to play PR. I asked everyone what their name was in mumble, and if they where. If they was in the wrong channel i moved them.

Roughly 12- 6 guys per squad.

And then i switched team and did the same. If you do that one round, or 1 hour. Then all good. 1 Guy can do that.


But i think, maybe the Devs should implement smaller features per mumble release, if they have made this HUGE MOTEHR FRIKKIN version with 100 features, that all cause the other one to crash, why not gradually just update it. Over time.

That might get more interest, the fact it is up to date.

[Hannes_Sbg]

Sometimes the "Blueguy, watch your left, guy behind corner", or "GRENADE!" can be essential for even victory, and its an incredible help for medics to find downed teammates, that are lost in a grassfield or covered by other 10 corpses. Not only the SLs but mainly the grunts benefit from it.

Mainly? Really? If someone warns us I can here it and decide if its a information my squadmates need. And if the medic cant find the right body Im there to help. Of course it would be - in this certain situations - better if everyone is on PrMumble. I made some arguments about the drawbacks, but I guess this thread is all about how to force players to use PrMumble....

[sell]

the main reason i don't use pr mumble, is because i am on the mumble server of my clan, with my clan mates, and other players, that hang out with us almost every day.
And we are not only talk about game relevant topics some times we have nice discussions, other times we just talk about what we gonna cook for dinner, and other irrelevant stuff, this is all stuff we could not do on pr mumble^^

[Bradley364]

the main reason i don't use pr mumble, is because i am on the mumble server of my clan, with my clan mates, and other players, that hang out with us almost every day.
And we are not only talk about game relevant topics some times we have nice discussions, other times we just talk about what we gonna cook for dinner, and other irrelevant stuff, this is all stuff we could not do on pr mumble^^

How? No seriously...why not? I do more or less the same stuff in PR Mumble. Its not a problem.

All you're doing is removing yourself from the teamwork made possible when everyone is in the same mumble channel.

Like...I just can't wrap my mind around this...I guess its sub-conscience trolling. Thats the only way I can describe what you and your friends are doing.

[Psyrus]

the main reason i don't use pr mumble, is because i am on the mumble server of my clan, with my clan mates, and other players, that hang out with us almost every day.
And we are not only talk about game relevant topics some times we have nice discussions, other times we just talk about what we gonna cook for dinner, and other irrelevant stuff, this is all stuff we could not do on pr mumble^^

You do realize you can run both instances of mumble at the same time right? Have a PTT set differently for both, and as such you could hear all parties in the game, however be able to transmit to a select set at your choosing. Best of both worlds.

[sell]

i know i can run both at the same time, but this would just be to much, because at the evenings, it happens that we are more then 20 players, that are playing together. And if i think about to be on our mumble server+ pr mumble+ in game voip at the same time

[Web_cole]

Mainly? Really? If someone warns us I can here it and decide if its a information my squadmates need.

That just does not apply to the examples Brain gave. If someone yells "Grenade!" over mumble, you having to then relay that onto your squad loses precious seconds during which a lot of friendlies might die.

Similarly, medics are using positional audio to locate downed friendlies (especially useful if there are a lot of bodies), that's not something one SL talking to another over the SL Radio can replicate because, well, its the positional part that matters.

I would say its also the case that "Enemy on that building at 015" is not the sort of thing I want to be overloaded by constantly relaying to my squad, when if the blue guy who had spotted the contact, and my own squad were all on PR Mumble they could have bypassed me completely.

i know i can run both at the same time, but this would just be to much, because at the evenings, it happens that we are more then 20 players, that are playing together. And if i think about to be on our mumble server+ pr mumble+ in game voip at the same time

Sometimes telling people to shut the fuck is a perfectly valid option. As an SL in the PRT sometimes I could have people talking at me from 3-5 different sources (on a bad day ) having Mumble or Teamspeak or Ventrillo and PR Mumble really is not a big deal.

[Orford]

i know i can run both at the same time, but this would just be to much, because at the evenings, it happens that we are more then 20 players, that are playing together. And if i think about to be on our mumble server+ pr mumble+ in game voip at the same time

No diffrence from running TS3, In-game VOIP, and Mumble. I use TS3 the same way you use mumble to talk to your friends but I still got mumble for playing PR, If theres to much chit chat in TS3 then I mute it. Having the abliity to talk to other squads and squad leaders when playing adds so much more to PR see privious posts.

I dont see why you would want to be playing with 20 players and not be able to have coms with the rest of your team seams a bit them and us to me. Why do you all think you would be better of playing in your own 20 team and not join the rest of us on PR mumble?


TS3 is mainly used to sort admining issues also we ask that all *NwA* members be on TS3 when on any of the game servers we run. Also we have alot of none clan members who join us on TS3. This gives them the added contacts with admins without talking over mumble. If im needed in TS3 they type in game chat "Orford unmute TS please" makes it alot easier to disscues issues and give fair admining on the server. But the "you should of seen what my cat did today" chit chat leads to the mute key.

You are seriously missing out!!

[Rudd]

spotted enemies, incoming grenades, requiring medic, dynamically instructing blues when necessary rather than going via chain of command, asking for ammo, warning of grenade traps/IEDs, asking for rides, directing drivers, passing enemy positions on to vehicles with bad views, or passing information from thermal vehicles to infantry...

this is where mumble excels, quick, dynamic messages that don't force 9 squad leaders to listen to information that might not be relevant to them (alla public teamspeak)

if a blue HAT needs ammo and is for whatever reason unable to procure it via green methods, he either has to spam the emotes, spam chat or get his squad leader to pass a message to your squad to get an ammo source to him...when with mumble he can go "HAT needs ammo, enemy vehicle blah blah" and another squad's rifleman will provide, or a vehicle can provide if nearby.

BAM

teamwork happened, with minimal fuss.

[Orford]

BAM

teamwork happened, with minimal fuss.

nuf said/

[Brainlaag]

..... But the "you should of seen what my cat did today" chit chat leads to the mute key.

You are seriously missing out!!

Don't know why but I loled so hard xD.

[Hannes_Sbg]

That just does not apply to the examples Brain gave. If someone yells "Grenade!" over mumble, you having to then relay that onto your squad loses precious seconds during which a lot of friendlies might die.

Next time please quote all I wrote like: "Of course it would be - in this certain situations - better if everyone is on PrMumble."

Similarly, medics are using positional audio to locate downed friendlies (especially useful if there are a lot of bodies), that's not something one SL talking to another over the SL Radio can replicate because, well, its the positional part that matters.

If your in the SL Channel you still here 3d positional. No need to use the SL Channel, if someone asks positional for a medic.

Im not saying "only" SL should be on PrMumble. Just looking for a compromise between those forcing everyone to use PrMumble and those refusing to use it at all. Having at least the SLs in PrMumble does give your team most of the advantages PrMumble can offer, without excluding parts of the Community.

[Orford]

Don't know why but I loled so hard xD.

Yeh I read it back and though about removing the "You are seriously missing out" from being right below the "what my cat did today" line, but thought wtf ill roll with it..

[Brainlaag]

Im not saying "only" SL should be on PrMumble. Just looking for a compromise between those forcing everyone to use PrMumble and those refusing to use it at all. Having at least the SLs in PrMumble does give your team most of the advantages PrMumble can offer, without excluding parts of the Community.

Why would you refuse to use it in the first place? I use always TS, mumble and ingame at the same time and never have to mute anything. Speaking about that is TS pretty obsolete as I can have even that chit chat ingame in the breaktimes over mumble.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

Just tonight on NWA/Barracuda about three squads and 15 guys assaulting airport building squads where spread apart - I was assaulting the building when my SM's were firing on enemy from the east. But as all the guys in the building could communicate it worked well.

Because of mumble.

[mattnett1]

You don't have to join mumble or even get it... If no one is on mumble in that server then leave. I use mumble now and then.

[Wicca]

You don't have to join mumble or even get it... If no one is on mumble in that server then leave. I use mumble now and then.

What?


Yes, you do have to get mumble, and use it and join it! Try it out, its awesome! It just makes you rediscover PR over again. I am not joking, it really does!

[Hannes_Sbg]

Why would you refuse to use it in the first place? I use always TS, mumble and ingame at the same time and never have to mute anything. Speaking about that is TS pretty obsolete as I can have even that chit chat ingame in the breaktimes over mumble.

I use PrMumble. Sometimes its helpfull, sometimes annoying. I play with some mates who dont want to use PrMumble and I do understand their reasons. I wont stop playing with them, but I hate the fact that the community breaking in two. We play a lot on the [New] server, but the day they make PrMumble mandatory we will stop playing there. We wont have trouble finding other players to play with and we already have plans for an own server. Its just sad to see the community breaking up because of PrMumble.
Teamplay is first of all a matter of attitute, not tools. There are players out there who cant speak english, dont get along with all the noise in the PrMumble-Channel, or dont want to speak to a bunch of strangers, or dont even have a mic, but still providing a lot of teamplay. Again: PrMumble can be usefull and enhance teamplay if used correctly. Im just questioning if its worth forcing it.