To: PR:BF2 admins

[SmoothIsFast6]

Please enforce mumble in the nicest (if you like) way possible, i liked to play PR but i check mumble and nobody is using it and it makes me not want to play the mod at all. I've been playing for awhile and nothing is like good comms yeah it really is up to you admins to make this game fun again it rest in your hands. Don't bann them, just kick the noobs or have them make a labeled sqd called New PR'ers or something and people who know how to play can see ok these guys are just starting out and may need help, but noobs? the one's that go around rambo style wasting shit why are they even playing PR? cmon they need to go to a training server.. I want to see people with mics like its 2011...

/rant

[Pvt.LHeureux]

I agree totally, I've seen less and less organized squads over the years and less mumble too

[IINoddyII]

There are servers which enforce mumble.
There are servers that don't.
Pretty sure that all servers admins will take action on people wasting assets.
The challenge is to find a server which playing style and admins suit you best.
Like everything in life you only get out what you put in - if you can't find a server that you are entirely happy with - pony up the cash and time and start your own

[Murphy]

Mumble thread incoming!

"bla bla bla promote mumble yourself ingame" Ya I heard that one....

"People that are smart enough to read forums have already setup and used mumble, or sought support" Oh yea I read something like that too.

This is the same song and dance we had not long ago (is it even on page 3 yet?), we have got to get constructive on this. It was not promoted enough, there could be more emphasis put into mumble by making it somewhat of a selling point. As of now we can sit and wait to see whats going on behind the scenes or we can try to make an impact ourselves. What can the community using mumble actually do to get everyone else with the program?

Not enough servers are promoting/enforcing the use of mumble. Server admins need to set an example, it should be something along the same lines as not practicing your flying in a deployment server. There is surely a fair bit admins have to handle, but the mumble server is always up and running and the info is readily available.

The clan that owns the server needs to take the initiative and populate mumble themselves and lead by example, I see channels setup for every popular server but there are many that remain empty. While many may point out they have a functioning TS/Vent that is open to the public, this still remains exclusive in the sense that it is entirely separated from the rest of the PR community (also, positional audio is the most amazing thing).

[Total_Overkill]

Please enforce mumble

No, Never

[goguapsy]

I'm not a server admin and I strongly suggest players to use mumble.

However, a few players I've met ingame have said Mumble doesn't work for them (like lag and whatnot). As I don't think they are lying, I won't prohibit them from playing the game.

[SmoothIsFast6]

@ murf, yeah seems like you've heard the story a few more times, but guess what i'm entitled to rant all i want, i do lead by example, you've obviously never played a match with me

@ nod, i know respect to the PR community.

@ total, YES they should why would it be called Mumble (PR EDITION!) is it called that so nobody should use it?? no comms and you might as well play another game like the other 1000 FPSers

There is nothing like a mumble game, i've played at least 20 full mumble games win/lose its what i call project reality, but who am i just some words on a forum big deal, but it does rest in the hands of the operators howcopy

[PricelineNegotiator]

Agree 100%. Whenever I play, I play on TacticalGamer because most people are on mumble. And I always make my squad "mumble inf". There is nothing better than being able to talk to the guys outside of your squad by another means that typing. IT'S JUST THE BEE'S KNEES DAMNIT.

"Uh, squad 5 has armor spotted in a9kp4, we are ready to laze for cas"
"Cas copies, inbound in 30 seconds, laze now and standby for effect"
-30 seconds later-
"Cas you have good effect on target"
"Rgr, Cas is rtb for ammo. Call us if you need us"

Mumble gives you that. Wouldn't it be great to join ANY server and have that?

[Trooper909]

I agree totally, I've seen less and less organized squads over the years and less mumble too

Errr mumble hasnt been around all that long and I personally have seen 0 improvement in teamwork since everybody got a boner for it.

Maybe nobody uses it because they don't like it or like me cant even get it to stop crashing my system.Just because you like it but have nobody else to talk to on it because nobody else does does not mean it should be "get mumble or don't play PR"

[Total_Overkill]

@ total, YES they should why would it be called Mumble (PR EDITION!) is it called that so nobody should use it?? no comms and you might as well play another game like the other 1000 FPSers

How about i force you to use 1 of 30 other voip programs instead? Because that'll fit my preferences alot better.

Please, take off the brainslug, mumble is just a trinket.

[Portable.Cougar]

Use it or dont use it.

If their not using it it makes it easier on me to talk shit about how bad you are.

[BloodyDeed]

Just watch for servers with Mumble or PRMumble within its name.
Especially in the (european) evenings they are filled with mumble users.

Forcing mumble is just not that easy as it sounds. Seeding servers is pretty hard these days and if you leave nonmumblers out its even harder.
We try to promote is as good as possible and I think I can say that the number of mumble users is growing.

[saXoni]

There are people having problems with Mumble, and we shall respect that. Mumble should only be suggested by the admins.

[Vista]

Just join PRmumble servers...

[saXoni]

Just join PRmumble servers...

I was talking about PR Mumble. I'll repeat myself; people are having issues with it. Not everyone can use it, and we shall respect that.

[Vista]

I was talking about PR Mumble. I'll repeat myself; people are having issues with it. Not everyone can use it, and we shall respect that.

Not to be offensive, but why do people complain because of no teamwork, mumble provides teamwork, and we will only find teamwork on mumble enforcing servers...

[saXoni]

Not to be offensive, but why do people complain because of no teamwork, mumble provides teamwork, and we will only find teamwork on mumble enforcing servers...

That is not true at all. Tactical Gamer, NwA and Merk are three servers that doesn't require mumble. All three of them have great teamwork.

[gazzthompson]

Errr mumble hasnt been around all that long and I personally have seen 0 improvement in teamwork since everybody got a boner for it.

Then you simply haven't played on a mumble server with effective coms, when used correctly mumble increases teamwork 10 fold, easily.

Mumble in its current state, shouldn't be forced. Mumble will be developed, and more and more servers will use it. Forcing 3rd party software, even though it benefits the mod is fundamentally wrong IMO. Wait till its developed and more servers will use it leaving servers that dont to have substandard teamwork.

[Psyko]

If PR was a business, it would recognize that it must cater to the customers wants as well as their needs. A more advanced business may place even GREATER emphesis on what the customer WANTS.

Now, PR isnt a business, and they dont have to solve every petty dispute, and they dont have to put up with some of the nonsense that goes on from time to time. but I know for fact that a lot of the devs want people to have as much fun as possible (while satisfying the cadence of reality) But they cant control the players attitude or wants.

IF they had their engine, you could imagine a totally integrated mumble, with a rank system that stops noobs from using jets, and blah blah blha...but they dont. and for the moment mumble is a seperate program used at the users discression.

I personally dislike peoples negative attitude towards mumble, i think its the best thing ever. But until people come up with some good ideas to further amplify the good aspects of mumble, so that the rest of the negative people use it, this kind of discussion wont go far.

Call a spade a spade. mumble works, but its not complete.

[Orford]

Then you simply haven't played on a mumble server with effective coms, when used correctly mumble increases teamwork 10 fold, easily.

Mumble in its current state, shouldn't be forced. Mumble will be developed, and more and more servers will use it. Forcing 3rd party software, even though it benefits the mod is fundamentally wrong IMO. Wait till its developed and more servers will use it leaving servers that dont to have substandard teamwork.

^^THIS
*NwA* encourages mumble we have lots of mumble users. I have help alot of people set it up while seeding the server.

Admins have it rough, we pay for the server police the server, make sure evry one is having a good game. Then if we do kick or ban some one its admin abuse although the other 63 players on the server think the sun shines out of our arse for the next 5 mins if it gets rid of a griefing, asset wasting, disrupting player.

To enforce mumble, add that to the list of things admins have to do, not forgetting that admins want to play the game as well. Its not a job, we dont get paid to do it, ffs we hardly ever get thanks for it let alone a donation to the cost for giving the comunity 2 of the best admined and team work servers.

Its not that we do it for the glory of being the best we do it so we can play and so we can do it our way. Which by the looks of 2 full 64 man server is the way alot of other players want to play as well. Along with the other great PR servers, We do it for you lot. Cos without you we dont get to play either.

RANT OVER/

Now back on topic,
If any one wants to become a *NwA* Admin and take on the admin role of enforcing mumble once the server population reaches 50 players, thus kicking pubbers that have helped get the server seeded to that point. (negative point 1)
Then please make sure you have 2 monitors one for the game one for the mumble server list. To be able to watch as it happens.(neg point 2)
Have the time each night and weekends to be oncall once the server reaches 50 players cos its your job you want it you do it. (neg point 3)
Once in game spend the time monitoring both mumble and ingame for player joining to make sure there on mumble. Issue warnings to get on mumble then issues the kicks. Monitor the forum for ban appeals for repeat offenders and the "oh sorry my little brother was playing and sorry he joined your server 5 times without being on mumble so he got me banned." threads.
And last of all after skipping many other negatives to enfoceing mumble as a ingame admin, DO NOT GET CHANCE TO PLAY YOURSELF. Then come visit *NwA* Clan and its all yours...............................

to the OP
seriously mate i assume you have never been a ingame admin for PR. Alot of people have come and gone saying yeh ive admined servers before. But PR is not like any other game (except say ARMA) it requiers alot of work, not only that the players hold the admins to a very high standard and they expect it each and every day/night. Adding force mumble to a admins duties is to take them away from playing the game. Then they dont want to be admin any more.
Until PR mumble has the ability to be tide into the game it is a task that i will not be enforcing any of our admin to do.

Like another poster said, Step up put your money on the table and you do it.

This thread should be locked. Its been done to death. just like them rope things ;p

From a server owners point of view it is not practical to enfoce mumble in its currant state. Promote it yes we do ask that heavey assets be in mumble to aid team work yes we do. Kick for not doing it NO!

FOr people that have issues setting it up, come to our forums request a team speak password then come and have a chat on teamspeak we will happly help you out as we have alot of members who have all been through the teething problems of setting up mumble. We are here to help.