To: PR:BF2 admins

[Daniel]

The current PR Mumble 0.5 Beta doesn't work fine at all with Win7 64-Bit. I have problems, I start it and the process runs for some sec, nothing happens and bye... there it goes, process is stopping.

[Anazuke]

Enforcing mumble as admin can be pain in the arse, especially at 50 players on each side. Last week it took me an hour to sit in base and make sure everyone was in mumble at sisu on one side only. One hour of not playing what so ever, got so bored after that, that i quitted from the server.

Please see: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f29-pr ... ost1674568

If you want to help admins enforcing mumble usage, please use exactly same nick in mumble and ingame, so that we can see immediatly who is on mumble and who is not. Hopefully some version of PR will come with integrated mumble such as in PR:ArmA2, the current system is just unbearable.

So in general, you will never have everyone in mumble without someone observing the lists at all times, admins also want to play the game and best thing that a normal player can do is use !r function to report people who are not in mumble, even at start of the games/server filling up situations.

[Anazuke]

The current PR Mumble 0.5 Beta doesn't work fine at all with Win7 64-Bit. I have problems, I start it and the process runs for some sec, nothing happens and bye... there it goes, process is stopping.

Have you tried to run as administrator?

[Maverick]

No, Never

Yes. ENFORCE it, I'm tired of people that come on and play, and when I yell over mumble "I need your medic to come heal my buddy" and you don't respond because you don't even have Mumble...

The people who complain that it causes lag is just total bs because I find it to be fine, and my frames do not drop, even though I'm playing in the low 20s

I have Windows 7 64 bit, try running as an administrator.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

I have mumble admined alot. As Orford says the big pain is kicking non mumble seeders.

Once the server is at 90% the other players using !r can do the rest for non mumble or non communicating players.

For the guys that have problems post and sort it out - people will help you. Noone is obliging you to talk on it all the time, but at the very least it's well worth posting your thread to try and mend it.

If it works for me it's gotta work for anyone.

Oh and at present there is NO mumble forcing server, PRTA can't get seeded. NWA runs at 75%, TG the same, NEW 50%, Merk rarely more than 10% - but it's always the guy you need next to you who hasn't got it.

[SmoothIsFast6]

How about i force you to use 1 of 30 other voip programs instead? Because that'll fit my preferences alot better.

Please, take off the brainslug, mumble is just a trinket.

you're a trinket bloke, got any PR edition voip programs ? no you don't

Errr mumble hasnt been around all that long and I personally have seen 0 improvement in teamwork since everybody got a boner for it.

Maybe nobody uses it because they don't like it or like me cant even get it to stop crashing my system.Just because you like it but have nobody else to talk to on it because nobody else does does not mean it should be "get mumble or don't play PR"

"get mumble or don't play PR" that's my opinion yes this yank has one
crashing your system? lol how about asking for help? crashing system hmm you running windows 95?

@PC, bring it on? want to know how good i am

@bloody, man with all these new games and stuff i've seen pr slowing down over here in the states and i don't want that, mumble helps, yeah it maybe hard to (actually) nothing is hard about it...

@vistamaster, you guys that have other things to say opposing can learn a lot from his simple comment.

@pysko when you instal Project Reality you install PR mumble installer (i know you know)

@daniel, i've had PR mumble running on 64bit for months never had 1 problem with mumble except wanting others to have it. i even made radio beeps for it but i couldn't figure out how to get them working

@plod, we don't all think that not just you are the only one open minded, i as well as most will help and we can't get it all out our fingers on a keyboard genius

@orford, negative begets negative, yeah i see what your saying kinda lets not enforce what makes the game for me, who cares about me locked thread but whatever i still want to get my words out. No i've not been here forever but i got some things to say and it might have been said before in different ways that sound the same in your mind like my brother from a different mother logged on to my account and arty ied all the admins on his team (O.o) but i just want 1 thing to come from this MORRR MUMBLERS!

Good day to all.

[saXoni]

@daniel, i've had PR mumble running on 64bit for months never had 1 problem with mumble except wanting others to have it. i even made radio beeps for it but i couldn't figure out how to get them working

Your point being? If a guy runs the same OS as you, it doesn't mean that he's not allowed to have issues that you don't have.

You're also telling them to go get some help. I've seen several posts in the support-section asking for help about Mumble but no one has replied.

Your argument is just invalid.

[SmoothIsFast6]

no argument here bitter mcbitterson, i've helped plenty using that bloody in game voip

again no argument you're not the only open minded person, he might have a different this or that but I've fixed everything in my life when it comes to PC's nothing has stumped me. Trail and error, i don't go in the help section everyday to help people my bad i guess i should do that more...

Again i'll lend my help anytime just PM your problem and i'll tell you how to fix it, if not some people in my PR clan are fucking geniuses they will help

sax are we still arguing? i guess i need to get angry now

[saXoni]

There's no reason to get angry. If you're getting angry in a discussion forum, you should find something else to do.
I rest my case; Mumble should not be enforced, as there are several people having issues with it.

[Daniel]

Have you tried to run as administrator?

Yeah, didn't help...

[=]H[=TangFiend]

i guess i need to get angry now

Save the anger, you can argue till your blue in the face. Most of these US clans are collectively too stubborn and dense to use mumble on their servers, except for a few standout members. Just play on TacticalGamer and forget the rest.

EDIT: Oh yeah or just play PRa2, all the mumble type coms are built into the game. No need for third party chat progs.

[Himalde]

The only way to have a server with 100% mumblers with out too much work is to pwd it atm, when the password is available on mumble. That is also the nicest way to do it, and no kicking of seeding non mumblers. This worked on RT back in the summer of 2009 for a few weeks, and the 128 server did it in the beginning.

One of the reasons PRTA (the only server that requires mumble) is not getting seeded is that too few are willing to contribute enough time to run it, even if the core community is. This is caused by something that are affecting many others, the general decline if players. The numbers speak for themselves, back in 2009 there was between 800 and 1000 playing PR every night (weekdays), now most nights there are about 450, on weekends maybe 600. I have the impression that the peek time lasts shorter now, and instead of one long peek time (for both EU and US) there seems now to be 2 clear peek times (one for EU and one for US). This is a clear indication that fewer hours are spent playing PR and therefore a smaller base to support a mumble only server.

I'm actually impressed that new clans and communities are embracing mumble to the degree that some have, and I want to thank everyone that is promoting it. PR is not the same without it. I understand very well that server choose not to enforce it, even if I favour a mumble only server over any other. The fact is that it's easier to fill a server with all players then with a smaller group of the community. Once the number of PR players is rising above 600 every night there will certainly be room for a mumble server again, if it reaches 1000, I think the community is large enough for 4 mumble severs.

I'm hoping that the PRmumble 1.0 is comming soon (with full game integration). I personally think this should be the number 1 priority for the devs. I also think this would solve any mumble related problems and bring the game to a new dimension for non mumble users. In that way poeple would play more and all would be better.

And for those that doens't get mumble to work (and still read this), post anywhere, we'll find a way to fix it.
And for those that just didn't like it at all, have you set it up correctly (this can be a bit hard at first ), and joined a full sever where most are using mumble? If you still don't like it, please tell us why (in an appropriate thread).

[Buren06]

I don't believe it should be mandatory for every server, but certainly for more of them.

[Trooper909]

"get mumble or don't play PR" that's my opinion yes this yank has one
crashing your system? lol how about asking for help? crashing system hmm you running windows 95?

I've Been playing for ooo maybe 6years+ now,so your of the opinion I should no longer be able to play because I cant get a buggy 3rd party program to work?

With all due respect GTFO with that attitude.There's nothing that mumble can do that typing in team chat cant its just we have all got to lazy to type.


If anything teamwork has gone down after mumble came because its a community divider.People on mumble don't bother typing in team they shout it on mumble but those without cant hear it hence if anything there is less communication now.

You have 10 on mumble 10 on vent /TS3 and some with neither,we may as well be all talking in a different language.

Communication with other squads is actually the commanders job in case you didn't know, well used to be.SL1 tells commander he needs support and the commander orders SL2 to provide it.But that is another layer of teamwork/tactical gameplay lost over the years due to be frank PR dumbing down.


*edit* its proven fact mumble makes your tactics better your aim straighter and your Epeen larger.

[gazzthompson]

With all due respect GTFO with that attitude.There's nothing that mumble can do that typing in team chat cant its just we have all got to lazy to type.

Wrong. Mumble is atleast a billion (its science) times better. Chat is slow, gets you killed and is missed by alot of people. Comparing Chat to mumble is lolsy at best.

If anything teamwork has gone down after mumble came because its a community divider.People on mumble don't bother typing in team they shout it on mumble but those without cant hear it hence if anything there is less communication now.

1. How do you know this if you cant get mumble to work thus dont play on mumble servers?

And the last assumption is simply not true. There is more communication, you just cant hear it because your not on mumble.

You have 10 on mumble 10 on vent /TS3 and some with neither,we may as well be all talking in a different language.

thats the point in mumble, its universal and standard.

Communication with other squads is actually the commanders job in case you didn't know, well used to be.SL1 tells commander he needs support and the commander orders SL2 to provide it.But that is another layer of teamwork/tactical gameplay lost over the years due to be frank PR dumbing down.

Wrong. Commanders job is to lead, not be a radio man. It was only necessary for him to be a radio man because of the lack of a program like mumble. With the intense communications that can happen when two or more squads attack a same objective (yeah, this happens on mumble servers) having a commander relay messages would be impractical and unnecessary, and as i said not his job in the first place.

Your wrong on all counts.

[Sgt.BountyOrig]

I can't help but feel sorry for a lot of you,
When I get people joining my squad, mumble isn't ever a necessity and you know what? Those people are just as good as the others in the squad! To make mumble a requirement is denying some good player's ability to play.

Loosen up and enjoy the Game!

[bloodthirsty_viking]

I had afule experences with mumble when i first tried to use it. Now my friends run a mumble server and its ok. But i still will refuse to use mumble R. What has it done? i remember better teamwork when noone used mumble then now when everyone uses mumble. Sure its good. But a commander is better.

[Nixy23]

So this is basically yet another "I want everyone to use mumble so I can have a good game, but I don't want to do the administrating of the servers myself so I'll make others servers do it for me!" kind of thread. We've seen tonnes of those. It's getting old.

Really, there's views to both sides of the coin, as always. I too see advantages in having everyone use it (as in: it's integrated in the game, not as 3rd party tool) but right now it's just not practical. I am not going to spend my spare time mocking about, cross checking two screens. Call me lazy, but I have more stuff to do. Nor will I kick members of our community that help getting the servers started in the afternoon, just because they aren't using a tool.


And to the people that keep moaning about how mumble doesn't add teamwork I have this to say:

You're right. Mumble doesn't miraculously conjure up teamwork. It provides a much needed means of communication which leads to greater teamwork in the end. When a team on our (*NwA*) servers have a lack of mumble users, they most often lose due to a lack of communication and organisation between squads. You lose valuable time chatting everyone up, getting temp banned for typing too fast/much (I've seen it happen.. lol) and people not reading the chat.

Leaving the 'technical issues' that people apparently experience in the middle (it's my personal opinion that it's laziness and/or ignorance just to have something to whine about in most cases) .. that is all I have to say on the subject. Yes, that is coming from a server administrator, in case you were wondering.

[saXoni]

I had afule experences with mumble when i first tried to use it. Now my friends run a mumble server and its ok. But i still will refuse to use mumble R. What has it done? i remember better teamwork when noone used mumble then now when everyone uses mumble. Sure its good. But a commander is better.

I don't see your point here. You're still able to have a commander while using PRMumble. SQ-VOIP won't automatically deactivate either.

What has it done? It makes you able to talk to smurfs (people that are not in your squad) if they're on Mumble. You're also able to talk to other squad-leaders that are in the same SL channel as you.

[SmoothIsFast6]

H[=TangFiend;1676778']Save the anger, you can argue till your blue in the face. Most of these US clans are collectively too stubborn and dense to use mumble on their servers, except for a few standout members. Just play on TacticalGamer and forget the rest.

EDIT: Oh yeah or just play PRa2, all the mumble type coms are built into the game. No need for third party chat progs.

/sarcasm you don't get it lol

idk i'm not in a US clan but i live in US, hardcores my point, if you hardcore admins starting steering people into the right directions your server wouldn't be a training server (i know there i said it now here comes hell lol)

really i don't care what you do and i could care less at being angry over anyone in the inter webs, it's just funny when somebody comes in here and starts talking a bunch of negativity that's void of any reason or knowledge...

personally i can't stand ARMA2 lol what a pile of cow $#@% lol