[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;1673178']What mouse exactly do you have now? I use to have the "original" Cyborg Mouse many years ago until its mouse wheel broke, as well as the extended grip etc, but no HAT switch on it as you said
every Saitek mouse I've had, the mouse wheel has broken on and I've had quite a few over the years, although I am a heavy user of the mouse wheel for zooming in and out in Max etc but still, why I haven't gone back to them for mice. Although I love most of there other products still
What I'm currently using, have for some time and would strongly recommend is the M$ Sidewinder X8 which meets all your points apart from it doesn't have lots of buttons (has 7 but I find that to be too few for me), no thumb rest and Profiles can not be saved directly to the mouse itself (ignore the ?85 price tag on the link below, shop around and you can easily get it for under ?50).
Its been very reliable so far, had it for a over a year now at least and even with a tilt wheel and my over use of the mouse wheel, its still going strong!
If you really need the extra buttons, I would look at the Saitek RAT but it looks to have lots of things to go wrong with it...

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I have that exact mouse, the 'HAT' switch, is the thing on the side where the thumb is, little 8 way d-pad like switch, don't know if its called HAT switch or otherwise :S, but has up, down left right directions, as well as diagonals (although they're disabled by default as its easy to get them mixed up)
Also thanks for the suggestions I'll read a few reviews on it too, and see if my local giant PCworld/Curry's has any to try out

. 7 Buttons is easily enough thinking about it, just depends if they're in the right place.
And yes that is my worry about the R.A.T, so many things to loosen up over the hopefully years of using it.. (had my other saitek for at least 4 years..)
[quote="Beee8190""]I was too looking at that Cyborg at one point but it just looked too small for my hand and so i went for razor Imperator.
Now the Imperator doesnt have that many buttons but i never really needed em.
The mouse itself is very light but solid, and fit into hand like it was designed for my hand from day one and the plastic is rather high quality, so no squeeky buttons and stuff.
I didnt regret buying this one for a single moment and i am still very happy with it after like year..
Cons - ignoring its bit pricey, none

[/quote] I'll definitely have a look at that, and I didn't really consider how small the new Saitek is.. I may have to reconsider, even though I do love the white colour

, strange obsession with anything white + black(see my PC build in these forums and you'll see more

).