Abusive SLs

[Bringerof_D]

some SLs just cant accept that it was their fault so they blame any SMs that have disobeyed any particular order and say it was their fault.

I've seen this before too. When techies were circling us he kept screaming "STOP SHOOTING YOU IDIOTS NOW THEY KNOW WHERE WE ARE!" when we've already run past a whole squad of enemies that started shooting at us and we followed orders and ignored them and are now being circled by techies. at this point we decided to disobey and engaged the techies killed them. at which point the SL climed onto a roof top to hide from incoming fire and got hammered by grenades. At his re spawn kicked me as i gave the order to engage, I ALSO gave the order for our rear guard to clear an alley with me earlier which slowed his plan but saved our lives. Luckly there was room for one more squad so i started my own at which point the entirety of the previous squad left and joined mine ;D

[Trooper909]

Had a few drunken abusive or plain abusive SL's in my time but I normally just leave the squad so I dont notice it so much.

Had many retarded ones but if he is not a dickhead I stay and obey orders no matter how stuipid just as long as he aint blaming the squad its ok IMO and I hope they learn from the mistakes they make.If I'm in the mood I may put suggestions forward but its still up to them whether they listen.

In a way its his squad and SMs choice to put up with it but the way you describe it he should have been in an empty squad


The age old saying of only a bad workman blaims his tools springs to mind is this case.


*edit* Also on a side note I find the best SL's don't give too specific orders and only have a basic plan and leave the individual SM to do his job and wouldnt even notice small mistakes made by SM's as the SL should busy doing his job.

[Mikemonster]

If you can do it better, make another Squad and squad lead.

Simple as that, it's a PR truth.


'Lead, follow, or get the f00k out of my way.'

[goguapsy]

*edit* Also on a side note I find the best SL's don't give too specific orders and only have a basic plan and leave the individual SM to do his job and wouldnt even notice small mistakes made by SM's as the SL should busy doing his job.

Well, I saw that being said a lot, and it is probably true. But I'll be honest, sometimes I don't think there is much space for freedom. Don't get me wrong, but in a tight situation, there are reasons why the SL should have "supreme" command over your SMs.

[Redamare]

I am usually a squad leader when i can help it. . . i try to have fun with my squad mates make them feel that they are helping when ever i can ... yes i have some off days where i just get annoyed but i don't punish guys for doing wrong things ... only when they continue to keep doing OTHER things that i asked them over 3 times not to do i may kick them .... maybe a shot to the leg and run away but i don't go off on them .... i have had one squad leader that was all Tactically CRAZY and when ever we did something off a second from what he wanted he started yelling at us even though we were trying to help. he eventually just rage quit ... and we all made fun of him.

[Mouthpiece]

*edit* Also on a side note I find the best SL's don't give too specific orders and only have a basic plan and leave the individual SM to do his job and wouldnt even notice small mistakes made by SM's as the SL should busy doing his job.

First, you can only be sure that this manner of SL'ing will work out if you know your squad, or at least few of them. I'm not talking about knowing them personally, but that they're capable of thinking for themselves in the given role and situation.
Second, if SL has a specific plan (fireteams, specific traveling manner, etc) than there's no chance for him to telepatically deliver his thoughts to his squadmates - he has to micromanage.
Third, It is SL's job to notice any possible mistake SM's make, preferably before it has been made. Why? Every mistake counts (in the context: victory). One lagging-behind-guy that get's shot can slow down a squad and even get them killed (if SL doesn't analyse the situation and doesn't choose to move forward). An epipen stabbed in the wrong time can make the wounded die and the medic - wounded.

[STORM-Mama]

IMO it's his squad and he can do whatever he wants with it. But if he's acting like a stupid *********, let him know by telling him that and leaving.

[Portable.Cougar]

some people are dicks

[B0ng_McPuffin]

I've had to lay into a few squads because of TOTAL lack of coordination, even with me quarterbacking the whole thing... as in telling me stuff like "Nah, don't put the FOB there" or "That AA is out in the open, I'm not building that".

Hell, I've even gone as far as putting C4 in a FOB I built and blowing my whole squad up because they are so freakin' stupid and insubordinate and totally unhelpful. Its a shame when griefing your whole squad is actually sometimes MORE helpful than just letting them run around like lemmings. Theres been times I've just gone to Manage Squad and just selected everyone and kicked them because they are just not capable of following the simplest of directions.

I don't find it abusive if your squad really is that terrible. I mean I'm a fairly new player to the game, and I come across people that treat this game like Unreal Tournament and less like a tactical game. Its just NOT fun waiting for 2/3rds of your squad to run back to your position CONSTANTLY because they thought they knew better than the SL.

On the flip side, I've come across some abysmal squad leaders before that WERE abusive even by my harsh standards that I've just wanted to shoot in the face, and I'd feel totally justified in doing so, aside from the fact that I'd get banned for doing so because some of the admins on this game IGNORE all reports of griefing, UP UNTIL I GRIEF it seems like. So whatever, the universe is punishing me, and people can getting away with grieifing and I can't...

Bottom line is, Leading a squad is hard enough with COMPETENT players who know what they are doing, much less pulling 5 retards with downs-syndrome and aspergers just lollygagging behind you like a bunch of 3 legged platypuses who couldn't tell you the business end of a rifle. Don't let my little forum handle fool you, I've fired plenty of guns in my time and studied tactical defensive/offensive maneuvers in military manuals, so when I tell someone to SIT STILL and NOT FIRE UNTIL TOLD OTHERWISE I expect them to do so if I'm the SL. Now if I'm just a bossy squad mate, then shame on me, but since I assumed the LEADERSHIP ROLE, you should OBEY THE LEADER or go LEAD YOUR OWN SQUAD IF YOU KNOW SO MUCH!

[Spec]

Hell, I've even gone as far as putting C4 in a FOB I built and blowing my whole squad up because they are so freakin' stupid and insubordinate and totally unhelpful.

How's that useful in any way? That's plain teamkilling. You can leave the squad if they're that awful, you can remove a firebase with the radio without needing to blow it up if you for some reason built it in the wrong place (which is hardly the fault of your squad).

because some of the admins on this game IGNORE all reports of griefing, UP UNTIL I GRIEF it seems like.

Of course...

Just don't grief. If everyone else is, leave the server. Or deal with it, but stick to the rules. It's not your business to bring order to a server that's lacking proper administration.

I've fired plenty of guns in my time and studied tactical defensive/offensive maneuvers in military manuals

You know that you can step on the toes of a couple of veterans here when you tell them what to do based on your study of manuals? Besides, military maneuvers aren't exactly developed for PR.

[PFunk]

The way I see it if an experienced player who has a sense of the game (OP describes how he had to make a tactical reload while being suppressed before making his crossing) is feeling abused then its probably crossing the line.

I agree with what Psycho said earlier. There is no need to verbally abuse players. Kick them, inform them of how they messed up, but yelling or being vulgar is not productive and just disrespectful. In the real military this manner of behavior has as purpose, its RL. But in a game people don't respond to this and if they do even so its not right to treat people that way.

Can you imagine playing a game of pick up football and having someone scream at you cause your pass was wobbly or that he didn't run fast enough? Can you see someone standing there and taking it just because this person is 'in charge' of this little session?

The internet affords us the anonymity to forgo some of the most basic elements of civilized and respectful society. This isn't okay face to face so why is it okay on a computer?

The other thing to consider is if this SL is berating and belittling new players who just don't know better then what is accomplished? How can you belittle someone for something they don't know? We play games for fun and if you want him to get better you have to be constructive if he's actually trying his hardest.

Key to this last point is that its BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY that new players are introduced to us this way. We have BF3 breathing down our necks, so I see our numbers being sapped for sure when that game launches. Do we want to alienate the next gen of players this way?

Don't just think of your fun, think of everyone's. The SL is in charge of the mission but Wicca is right, he has the most power to make it a fun game for people. Theres no need to treat people that way. I've been a Commander in the now dead PRT and I've definitely yelled at people for being retards but we were there for a competitive game training like little geeks. I never yelled at anyone for being bad at something, only for being disruptive and thats after fair warning and when its warranted.

Honestly, defending something as retarded as this guy the OP mentioned isn't good for PR. There is room for the stern SL but not to the point of abuse, and if you wouldn't do it to someone's face in a casual game of team billiards at the pub then it definitely is wrong.

[Mikemonster]

Good post, however 'a casual game of billiards'?

[Jedimushroom]

Sure, he can be harsh but he's a good man really! I deserved that tk, I wasn't paying attention.

I can't leave, he'll know where I've gone and he'll find me!

(anyone getting it yet?)

[xambone]

Show us on the Doll where the SQ leader hurt you, Billy...

Man up and tell him he is a **** and leave the squad then accidently "looking" tk him and bask in the joy of that moment. Then report him to admins for trying to TK you the feel triumphant!

[Rudd]

Man up and tell him he is a ****

not much point in this, he might be having a really shitty day, tomorrow he might be a nice guy again

having the last word is stupid enough IRL without taking it to the online scene

[AK47 WARRIOR]

You guys still on this thread

Oh A Question for Arcutus shielder Whats the squad leader's name

[Arc_Shielder]

You guys still on this thread

Oh A Question for Arcutus shielder Whats the squad leader's name

I've never seen him before in the same server I always play in and judging by his accent he is american.

I think public scrutiny is justified other than just reporting to server admins, but that comes at the expense of someone just having a shitty day. Not sure if it's worth it.
If I see him again and the same kind of behavior occurs, I will report him and make it public.

Which, IMO, is a more logical/mature/intelligent attitude than walking away after being insulted...and yet giving him free card to do so to future others.

[Psyrus]

Rudd;1683700']

Man up and tell him he is a ****

not much point in this, he might be having a really shitty day, tomorrow he might be a nice guy again

True... but I'd probably argue the above would be fine to say, except with the addition of one important word:

Man up and tell him he is a being ****

I know I've been suddenly knocked out of a really kahnty rant by someone going "hey dude chill" or "man stop being such a **** about it etc etc", and I realize wow, what I just did/said was totally unnecessary. Sometimes (less than I'd like...) I muster the balls to apologize profusely about it!

[TheComedian]

Sometimes (less than I'd like...) I muster the balls to apologize profusely about it!

Apologise on the internet? Like anybody gives a damn.

[saXoni]

Apologise on the internet? Like anybody gives a damn.

Well, good manners should always be included. No matter if it's on the internet or not.