Helicopters are too armoured

[Wispit]

I was flying today for the first time in over a year. Map was jabal, started as trans and then grabbed CAS when a couple of people grabbed the other choppers. I'll agree that the MTLB is kinda pathetic, I sort of feel bad for the people crewing them. Between me and the other guy flying we killed 3 before 1 of us even died (he was killed by cannon fire I think).

Although, I'm not sure the crew was too competent so that may have played into it. I haven't actually used one myself.

Exiled.

Na it was a good old high ping spike courtesy of family members

But he does have a point for the most part the AA isnt a major threat, i fear the BTRs and the AA MTLB is more deadly if it locks you when you arent expecting it. That said from what i read when it was introduced it has paper thin armour yet it seems the hydras do rather minimal splash damage against it, makes it rather hard to kill (for me anyway).

And we were in the huey which is a bit more resilient then most choppers. (Attack choppers such as the apache are what die so easily and so often to AA) But as rudd said, all you need is a 50.cal and the ability to track a target and they are down, only takes a short burst to kill a huey that way. And personally im happy the way it is.

P.S. point blank AA shots (locks not exactly required) tend to kill as well (which i dont think the gunner of the MTLB knew as i got fairly close to him without him shooting but unfortunately the hydras didnt do much against him. Must compare the splash effect on a BTR i have a feeling they die easier....

[Pronck]

Read again. It's LATs and AA that are ineffective against Hueys.

Well I meant it as being a tip because people just use 1 or 2 weapons for killing it instead of their whole arsenal they have.

[karambaitos]

And we were in the huey which is a bit more resilient then most choppers. (Attack choppers such as the apache are what die so easily and so often to AA) But as rudd said, all you need is a 50.cal and the ability to track a target and they are down, only takes a short burst to kill a huey that way. And personally im happy the way it is.

what? it takes less bullets to kill a humvee or a m113 with a 50 than it is to kill a huey, and the attack choppers being so much weaker than a huey is just completely stupid, also it doesnt help that the hueys glass isnt penetrable to a G3 (but the MG3 can penetrate it) and lower calibers

[Stealthgato]

what? it takes less bullets to kill a humvee or a m113 with a 50 than it is to kill a huey, and the attack choppers being so much weaker than a huey is just completely stupid, also it doesnt help that the hueys glass isnt penetrable to a G3 (but the MG3 can penetrate it) and lower calibers

Indeed, which is why the CAS Hueys are so stupidly overpowered in Barracuda. Chinese should have 2 WZ551s with .50s replaced by one with cannon, or replaced by 2 VN-3s.

[Jonathan_Archer_nx01]

No, I don't think they should be more vulnerable to rockets. However, helicopters should have some weak spots (with higher damage multiplier) which if you manage to get RPG'd with a precise shot, should cause them to shut down and crash. Engine turbines for example.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

I've seen hueys survive direct hits by the ERYX and live, its more than just AA rockets and LATs that are ineffective. I've shot hueys with over 50 30mm AP rounds from the MTLB on Muttrah and seen them just shrug it off and go all the way from docks to carrier while on fire and live (using HE is even less effective). I've shot over 16 AA missles at one heli, that NEVER popped flares, on Jabal (I actually went RTB to reload the MTLB) and the huey didn't die. It's really just the Huey that is over armored, the Apache will usually die in one AA rocket (Did I miss something? I thought Apaches were the ones that were armored...)

"CAS Hueys are so stupidly overpowered in Barracuda."
Completely true, in the hands of a semi-decent pilot they will without fails get 30+ kills, in the hands of a great pilot 50+. The trees manage to block any decent AA lock, and even if you managed to fire the AA flares will distract them or the Hueys insane armor will shrug them off. Shooting them with a 50 cal? Just as well off shooting them with a pistol.

[Steeps]

Any chance you could fix the title?



But yeah... I feel weak in any helicopter, takes a few rounds from a .50 cal to take down Kiowas. A Blackhawk cannot survive an RPG.

[Sgt. Mahi]

Totally agree that the huey is way too resilient to any kind of AT. On Barracuda it's even a complete gamebreaker.

The handheld AA is just pathetic as well.. I cannot count the times I've hit a Kiowa on Kokan with the handheld AA just to see it fly back to base with some white smoke... Just ridiculous.

[Anazuke]

Seems that Lynx and Chinook are better armored than the APCs on Al Basrah. We shot both with HEAT in point blank range with SPG techy and the results were that Chinook -> Light smoke and Lynx -> Nothing happened, it just flew away without even smoking.

[Wispit]

I've seen hueys survive direct hits by the ERYX and live, its more than just AA rockets and LATs that are ineffective. I've shot hueys with over 50 30mm AP rounds from the MTLB on Muttrah and seen them just shrug it off and go all the way from docks to carrier while on fire and live

Ive survived a shell from the an SRAW (US HAT) in a WZ551 (Chinese APC) and lived. And once i flew a mig into some silos on op clean sweep and it flipped around and i flew away undamaged...doesnt mean its always like that.

As for the 50 shells ill leave these here....



http://www.xfire.com/video/4f5177/

http://www.xfire.com/video/4f5179/


http://www.xfire.com/video/4f5180/

If i could be bothered id do the same for the 50.cal MTLB and even the WZ55A (though i would suspect its the same as the 50.cal MTLB) And while im probably being arrogant i would like to reitterate my point about being able to track aim and hit a moving target. Count the shots the 30mm took 10 shells up close 11 at distance. Did it a couple of times at different spots/ distances to see the effect, it was none.


p.s. fun fact using HE shells required 14 to be fired before the huey exploded. And a CAS huey took 11 shells of AP (in rapid succesion so the 1 less shell at previous times may be due to bleed out...)

[Stealthgato]

I've seen hueys survive direct hits by the ERYX and live, its more than just AA rockets and LATs that are ineffective. I've shot hueys with over 50 30mm AP rounds from the MTLB on Muttrah and seen them just shrug it off and go all the way from docks to carrier while on fire and live (using HE is even less effective). I've shot over 16 AA missles at one heli, that NEVER popped flares, on Jabal (I actually went RTB to reload the MTLB) and the huey didn't die. It's really just the Huey that is over armored, the Apache will usually die in one AA rocket (Did I miss something? I thought Apaches were the ones that were armored...)

You're definetly hyperbolizing here. Hueys even with their super AA resistance go down pretty fast to cannon rounds, the 30mm MTLB only needs around 15 hits to destroy one, and I highly doubt you fired over 16 missiles at the same helicopter without it having been repaired inbetween.

[mockingbird0901]

In my mind the only 'problem' is the Huey vs LAT/AA. I have flown pretty much every chopper in the game for an extended amount of time, only exeption being the Chineese trans chopper, and they all respond in a logical way to being fired upon, with the exeption being the Huey. I have shot down many Kiowas using a AA on Kokan, and have survived quite a few flying it. Best defence choppers should have in my mind is the ability to not get shot at.

[=HCM= Shwedor]

You're definetly hyperbolizing here. Hueys even with their super AA resistance go down pretty fast to cannon rounds, the 30mm MTLB only needs around 15 hits to destroy one, and I highly doubt you fired over 16 missiles at the same helicopter without it having been repaired inbetween.

Im accounting for the huey being in the air and moving. Shooting a huey sitting still is different. The BF2 hitbox sucks for moving targets, you might hit the target and no damage will be registered, just like that LAT shot on the huey. I'm sure if you shot a huey that was not moving, unpiloted, and on the ground it would start to smoke.

[velocity]

what? it takes less bullets to kill a humvee or a m113 with a 50 than it is to kill a huey, and the attack choppers being so much weaker than a huey is just completely stupid, also it doesnt help that the hueys glass isnt penetrable to a G3 (but the MG3 can penetrate it) and lower calibers

Give it a try on a co-op server. i killed a pilot with a G3 before on Muttrah by north city hotel. as i shot the pilot out, his uncontrolled huey landed on me.

[Mikemonster]

I've headshotted an enemy pilot out of a Huey with the G3. That said, i've not had any luck recently so possibly it's changed.

We all know that vehicles vs small arms needs fixing, the helis all have bulletproof glass apparently, as well as the known techie problems, etc etc.

Save the comments on small arms to the appropriate thread in feedback and let's keep this about the Heli armour, the small arms problem is related to the hitbox type or something like that (i.e. it's not related to the armour levels).

[karambaitos]

Give it a try on a co-op server. i killed a pilot with a G3 before on Muttrah by north city hotel. as i shot the pilot out, his uncontrolled huey landed on me.

i know i emptied 2 mags into a pilots front glass when we were screwing around once, and he didnt die

[Wispit]

Im accounting for the huey being in the air and moving. Shooting a huey sitting still is different. The BF2 hitbox sucks for moving targets, you might hit the target and no damage will be registered, just like that LAT shot on the huey. I'm sure if you shot a huey that was not moving, unpiloted, and on the ground it would start to smoke.

Well then that isnt through a fault of the huey is it?

It does have a higher resiliance to AA then most other choppers, but it can still often get damaged, a handy trick with AA is to fire a split second before you get the lock and you are almost gauranteed to hit and even kill the chopper.

I cant speak for LATs (never really been hit by them in a huey) but HATs will either kill the huey outright or wound instantly to the point that its f****d. AA varies from doing practically nothing, to wounding it to the point of no more lift, depends on luck (and probably the milliseconds between getting a lock and firing).

[PFunk]

Best defence choppers should have in my mind is the ability to not get shot at.

Then they tell you you're a bad pilot cause you won't do suicide missions into the middle of firefights.

[Killer2354]

Totally agree that the huey is way too resilient to any kind of AT. On Barracuda it's even a complete gamebreaker.

The handheld AA is just pathetic as well.. I cannot count the times I've hit a Kiowa on Kokan with the handheld AA just to see it fly back to base with some white smoke... Just ridiculous.

Late reply but... you should really be using the alt AA for the Taliban. The alt AA gives you a stinger missile which will kill the Kiowa on 1 hit, or make it blow up in 5 seconds. It's better than the Russian made AA because it's: Faster, locks at a longer range, deals more damage, and has a larger explosive radius.