Bleeding Helos

[PricelineNegotiator]

I don't think it's a problem with just the blackhawk. We should change the rate of bleed, lost too many choppers just because of "bleeding"

[Zoddom]

I don't think it's a problem with just the blackhawk. We should change the rate of bleed, lost too many choppers just because of "bleeding"

jep, it probably starts too early and goes too fast.
imo you should change the whole system, as bleeding itself is quite unrealistic.
decreasing engine power, stopping engines, broken landing gear, vibrating etc would be much more realistic und better for gameplay i think.
it just sucks that if you land hard the engine dies and the helo starts burning or whatever .... srsly.

[saXoni]

Zoddom, please record you landing the Blackhawk and it being disabled.

[Zoddom]

... no, it would take much too long for me, it doesnt happen with every landing, but with far too many

[saXoni]

Fine. Then I don't believe there's something wrong with the chopper. It's just you who can't land it properly.

[Rudd]

ok lads

I think we're getting a little into stupid territory here

hard landings are bad, and shouldn't happen ingame, helicopters are both tough and fragile IRL and ingame

I prefer to have a runway landing, slowly bleeding off height and speed, so that I can avoid risk to the helicopter for that reason

the bleed thing I can get on board with, so that there is plenty of time to get a rescue truck up and get the helo running again, rather than it blowing up from a smallish impact, setting teh bleed to very low will do it for me

Now, lets not make insinuations, unsupported statements etc, Group 1 saying "yes" then Group 2 saying "no" over and over, helps no1.

[saXoni]

I prefer to have a runway landing, slowly bleeding off height and speed, so that I can avoid risk to the helicopter for that reason.

Exactly. And if you don't land like this with the Blackhawk, you risk damaging the helicopter. That's why I would like to see a video of him landing.

[Zoddom]

saxoni youre being ignored now, since you just seem to think youre a god like pilot, and i cant stand such people. I fly since 0.25 so know when somethings wrong.


@rudd:
I think you agree that one of the biggest advantages of helicopters is that they need very small space for landing and taking off. So nobody can tell me that im doing anything wrong when im landing a helo .... well, like a helo.
and imo it would also be a good idea to let the bleeding stop when no one is in the vehicle to prevent guys taking off with a damaged helo and to make field repairs possible....

[saXoni]

What are you talking about? I am the God of all pilots...
And it seems to me like you're thinking exactly the same about yourself. "I fly since 0.25 so know when somethings wrong." Who's the "God" here?

[Rudd]

saxoni youre being ignored now, since you just seem to think youre a god like pilot, and i cant stand such people. I fly since 0.25 so know when somethings wrong.

No1 is being ignored

I think you agree that one of the biggest advantages of helicopters is that they need very small space for landing and taking off. So nobody can tell me that im doing anything wrong when im landing a helo .... well, like a helo.
and imo it would also be a good idea to let the bleeding stop when no one is in the vehicle to prevent guys taking off with a damaged helo and to make field repairs possible....

I don't understand, you mean disadvantage right? and I don't get the 2nd part at all; and I don't think its possible to have bleed stop when people disembark anyway

[PLODDITHANLEY]

Zoddom was on PRTA wasn't it? BR should be available.

[Zoddom]

... cmon

with the invention of helicopters you had the big advantage that you could land nearly everywhere and especially where planes couldnt land. I dont get that you dont get it.
when i say landing a helo like one then i mean, vertically.

ploddit im not that sure about it, either prta or sisu :/ but i dont want to apply a lot of effort into capturing this all on video, because i think everyone knows what im talking about.

[Rudd]

when i say landing a helo like one then i mean, vertically.

According to the books I've read that give an opinion on this, namely hellfire, apache, immediate response and chickenhawk - the landing procedure you describe is possible but highly unadvised; a short runway takeoff and landing is the safest and best way to land IRL - and strangely enough that is also teh case ingame.

if your chopper has any kind of load, then a non-runway takeoff is impossible, as the runway takeoff gives you extra lift

helicopters don't go up and down nearly as easily as people think

[PLODDITHANLEY]

It was PRTA as it was inf layer.

But either way seems best to practise the low hovers and hope everyone's in mumble to hear the jump shout.

[saXoni]

Landing the Blackhawk vertically does hurt the chopper.

[Zoddom]

how you can take of depends on weather conditions, altitude above sealevel, temperature etc.
And the IDF hawk even gets hurt if i come in low. when im fast it gets even more hurt than with a vertical landing.
and videos like these show that a normal landing and take off work pretty well too UH-60 Blackhawk landing - YouTube
Black Hawk Landing - YouTube
i will surely try the hover method as often as possible in future, its the safest...

[Psyrus]

and videos like these show that a normal landing and take off work pretty well too UH-60 Blackhawk landing - YouTube.

Do you take the full 19 seconds to descend the last 20 meters like in those videos that it works well too? I'm pretty sure if you did it that slowly you wouldn't take any damage either

[Stealthgato]

Landing the Blackhawk vertically does hurt the chopper.

Only if you land it hard. Normal slow landings don't damage it at all. I see people hovering 15 metres above the ground then slamming the Black Hawk on the ground and go "omg how did I get damaged from that".

[saXoni]

I see people hovering 15 metres above the ground then slamming the Black Hawk on the ground and go "omg how did I get damaged from that".

Exactly. And as far as I know, this might be exactly what Zoddom is doing.

[PFunk]

The rule of the blackhawk is to land in a runway method, meaning with forward motion as you decent and gently touch the ground. This is easily accomplished by flaring as you come down and possibly using the tail wheel to touch down just before the rest. If you do it right you won't tip forward.

The BH is really the worst chopper I've run into in PR for landing vertically. It doesn't like to do it. When I started recently trying to do the BH on Kokan I had issues at first with landing in the main. The only really smart approach is from the SW to W because you can come at just over the HESCOs and come down in a nice 45 degree line. With that said lots of places on Kokan call for a more vertical landing and tbh its not that hard to land them vertically, its just slower if you want it to be safe. Also you will more often than not take some damage, but if you're gentle you don't bleed. Rule of thumb after doing a vertical landing is RTB to repair in case you need to do another.

Its kind of unfair to get used to a Huey and then fly a BH. They are total opposites in terms of landings. Huey can take a helluva beating. I prefer to land it using negative thrust to really stick me down. BH you gotta be just above 0 but not too much when you touch down or else it gets weird and you end up riding your wheels in funny directions.

There could be some room to tweak something to do with the BH. I mean its well documented in BHD that a direct RPG hit to the rear rotor didn't even lead to catastrophe for several seconds, so a slam into the ground can't really be expected to ground the bird too easily, depending on the severity of the touchdown. But really, while thats a matter of discussing the safety net for non-combat damage to the chopper, any pilot should strive to never have to rely on that to get him there and back safely.

EDIT. Doing some quick Youtubing you'll see that they always touch down on that rear wheel first and its always VERY gentle. My advice is to do the hover instead of landing if you must get guys in or out of a tight space. Otherwise make them pick a bigger LZ for you.