British rifles

Mikemonster · Post by **Mikemonster** » 2011-06-02 19:23

What I mean is if you fire full auto the rounds spread in an ever increasing radius, like the PKM did in vBF2. The deviation is always the same (a base number), but for each shot it increases slightly.

i.e. the first three shots in full auto are relatively close to the target, but the next ones are spread out.

Salvo · Post by **Salvo** » 2011-10-24 20:35

I will take a L85A2 iron sights any day! For me personally, I find it's the other way around, the AK-47 has some major recoil and spread. I always use a iron sight L85. For full auto, iron sight. Long range single fire, ACOG. Again, the foregrip is just for aesthetic purposes. Doesn't actually serve a purpose as far as I can see.

Also, just slightly off-topic, I've realised that the LSW animations holds the LSW wrong. He should actually hold it in the prone position with the rear grip and pistol grip. Not hold it like a rifle.

Post by **Rudd** » 2011-10-24 20:37

well spotted salvo, I think you might be right

RAF AFGHAN DIARIES: SPECIAL FEATURE: RAF Kit 2 -- SA 80 LSW - YouTube

Post by **Rhino** » 2011-10-24 20:54

'[R-DEV wrote:Rudd;1686562']well spotted salvo, I think you might be right

RAF AFGHAN DIARIES: SPECIAL FEATURE: RAF Kit 2 -- SA 80 LSW - YouTube

Ye he is right, but the L86 uses the L85 animations and think Chuc didn't want to make a new 1st person animation just for that, although think in 3p that might happen but not sure on that.

But ye, its really the shooters choice as to how he holds it, but ye the rear grip is designed to be used in prone mode, but doesn't mean it has too (although most people would)

Acecombatzer0 · Post by **Acecombatzer0** » 2011-10-24 21:41

Since we are on topic of British rifles, I would like to bring up something I read recently.

But apparently the L85A2's are replacing their ACOG and SUSAT optics with some new variant of the Elcan scope.

Post by **Rhino** » 2011-10-24 21:46

Acecombatzer0 wrote:But apparently the L85A2's are replacing their ACOG and SUSAT optics with some new variant of the Elcan scope.

old news, very old news

When it happens then we will think about doing it

Mikemonster · Post by **Mikemonster** » 2011-10-25 13:32

On the subject of the LSW, we had a presentation by a guy in the Paras, and he said they despised it and shelved as many of them off to other units as they could. I think his opinion was that it was a cheap, heavy and ineffective alternative for the SAW. (And not much better than having a standard SA80).

That was 2006, but it surprises me to see so many in game.

Post by **Rhino** » 2011-10-25 13:40

Mikemonster wrote:I think his opinion was that it was a cheap, heavy and ineffective alternative for the SAW. (And not much better than having a standard SA80).

Dunno about heavy but ye, it was designed as a cheap support weapon, but is used mainly as a marksman rifle in r/l as a result of it not being really much better at suppressing the enemy than a L85 while its grater accuracy means its pretty good as a marksman rifle.

Mikemonster wrote:That was 2006, but it surprises me to see so many in game.

They are only in the Marksman kits and tbh I don't see that many players playing as a Marksman and its limited

Mikemonster · Post by **Mikemonster** » 2011-10-25 13:52

I play Basrah too often!

Cheers for the info

Salvo · Post by **Salvo** » 2011-11-06 22:49

Yeah. I see what your getting at with the point thy it was easier to use the L85 animations

In 3rd person is the same, that's when I really started noticing it as I VERY rarely use the LSW. Going onto scopes, the three MAIN scope we use is the SUSAT (Sight Unit Small Arms Trilux); ACOG (Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight); and the CWS (Common Weapon Sight) which is a night vision scope.

Yes, the LSW was replaced by the L110A1 (FN Minimi) as the squad support weapon, however it is currently being used in the marksman role until it gets completely phased out and all marksman shall be issued with the L129A1 Sharpshooter Rifle. Which shall be in time.

Bringerof_D · Post by **Bringerof_D** » 2011-11-07 06:16

Valor wrote:IMO the SA80 rifles are amongst the most accurate rifles of the mod.

Actually with experience you can figure out that all ingame rifles are accurate. Most of the time when we miss, it's because we are not accurate, not the weapon. As Nixy23 said, it's a matter of movement/deviation/stance/aiming technic and also server lag/client latency. Though it's easier to believe it's the weapon's fault. We just have to keep in mind some guns are better (i.e. easier to use) in cqb, others at mid-range, and adapt to survive.

just like IRL principles of marksmanship. these work differently in PR but is the same underlying principle. Stop and calm down before you shoot, clear corners by stopping and peaking around then after waiting for an opportune moment jump out and shoot. even with deviation due to the system that you dont fully reset this works very well.

Salvo · Post by **Salvo** » 2012-11-27 17:14

i think what bugs me the most about this is that i play with military simulation in mind, and train my clan in military tactics so we will even attack in such ways as to leave the enemy out of effective range of a iron sight but be in effective range of our optics, but the fact is this doesn't work for British in particular at all!

Just like to point out that it DOES in fact work, and our unit has done it very effectively with the correct training. As people have said, it is not the weapons fault, it is in fact our fault as we seem to rush things and wonder why we are hitting the wall 3 metres to the enemy's left. The SA80 in the game is in fact a very reliable weapon. You just need to know how to use it

On a side note, forgive me as I haven't seen it around at all, but is the L86 LSW Marksman kit being replaced with the new L129A1 Sharpshooter Rifle, which replaces the LSW in the Marksman role in real life? Because that would be AWESOME! ACOG and Eo-Tech variants for the win!

Souls Of Mischief · Post by **Souls Of Mischief** » 2012-11-27 18:15

Salvo wrote:Just like to point out that it DOES in fact work, and our unit has done it very effectively with the correct training. As people have said, it is not the weapons fault, it is in fact our fault as we seem to rush things and wonder why we are hitting the wall 3 metres to the enemy's left. The SA80 in the game is in fact a very reliable weapon. You just need to know how to use it

On a side note, forgive me as I haven't seen it around at all, but is the L86 LSW Marksman kit being replaced with the new L129A1 Sharpshooter Rifle, which replaces the LSW in the Marksman role in real life? Because that would be AWESOME! ACOG and Eo-Tech variants for the win!

The L129A1 won't be added, unfortunately. I don't think the L129A1 is used with an EOtech, since it kinda defeats the purpose of the rifle as a DMR.

Post by **Rudd** » 2012-11-27 19:22

^ he's probably refering to the eotech you see on top of the scope sometimes

I don't know if the L129A1 will be added or not, but while the LSW is ingame there are probably more important things to get ingame.

Post by **Tim270** » 2012-11-27 19:35

Yup, not so much it wont be added ever, just there is a lot more important stuff that comes first.

Souls Of Mischief · Post by **Souls Of Mischief** » 2012-11-27 19:44

Rudd wrote:^ he's probably refering to the eotech you see on top of the scope sometimes

Well, that is not an EOTech.

Salvo · Post by **Salvo** » 2012-11-27 22:38

Well... I was referring to the hybrid sight that you have on top of the ACOG, but as the BF2 engine doesn't accept this, just have an EO-Tech Variant or just an Aimpoint variant as a right click option. While you are right, Souls Of Mischief, the current LSW has an Iron Sight variant, which is even worse in a DMR role.
I was just asking as the mod aims for realism (hence the name

) and u know the debs have ALOT of work to be doing for the 1.0 release. Just thought I'd ask if it was to be added

40mmrain · Post by **40mmrain** » 2012-11-27 23:19

it's just an AR-10, dont the USMC, and Canadians use that by 1.0

Souls Of Mischief · Post by **Souls Of Mischief** » 2012-11-28 05:34

Salvo wrote:Well... I was referring to the hybrid sight that you have on top of the ACOG, but as the BF2 engine doesn't accept this, just have an EO-Tech Variant or just an Aimpoint variant as a right click option. While you are right, Souls Of Mischief, the current LSW has an Iron Sight variant, which is even worse in a DMR role.
I was just asking as the mod aims for realism (hence the name ) and u know the debs have ALOT of work to be doing for the 1.0 release. Just thought I'd ask if it was to be added

It is not a hybrid sight what you sometimes can see on top of the 6x ACOG. It is just a close combat sight.

Salvo · Post by **Salvo** » 2012-11-28 07:38

It's an AR-10 variant, yes. But it is not an AR-10, if you know what I mean

and yes. On top of the 6x ACOG is a close combat sight, which is exactly what I was saying :L but, even if it's something like a 6x ACOG variant and a scope of some sort, it doesn't really matter

Being that it is based off an AR-10, forgive my modding knowledge as I know nothing :L but couldn't it be easy to just modify the existing AR-10 from the Canadians and give it the British Army "touch"?

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