*NwA* UK Reality (Europe)

[Murphy]

Unfortunately the pubbers are held to a higher standard then the admins themselves.

[Spec]

You guys aren't getting a hint, are you? You're just looking for another flame war now. Drop that immediately, we won't hesitate with infractions.

[Tarranauha200]

This server sucks so hard every time I spawn someone kills me and even b-hoppin wont save from arrest.

No lol its good. Just kept the cobra up n running all the round was gunner.

[saXoni]

Just kept the cobra up n running all the round was gunner.

Want a cookie?

[Orford]

I'm feeling a little sorry for you guys.

*NwA* server is filled by 64 players nearly all day and every day, at the weekend there is too of them running full.

I welcome comments regarding general admin standards, game play, map rotation, team work and wether or not you rate the server and would you come back but your insisting in carrying this on.

Do not drag out this matter any more. Spec has made it clear to forum users and now I'm making it clear to *NwA* members. The matter is closed.

Any infractions handed out here will not been seen in a good light back home.

I don't like having to tell grownups how to act.

*NwA* Orford co-founder *NwA*

[saXoni]

I guess it's time some real feedback for once.
I'd like to start with saying that this has nothing to do with the ban I received a couple of days ago.

For a very long time, this server has been on the top-list of my favorite servers. It still is, but it's slowly going downhill.


Let's start off with what I do like about the server:

The high quality players.
The greatest players are playing on your server.

Mumble being populated even though it's not mandatory.

Decent choices of maps.
You choose to play good maps.

The location of the server.
Quite central in Europe, which means that both Northern- and Southern Europeans can play on it with a decent ping.


What I dislike about the server:

Teamstacking.
I've often seen this server having the greatest players on the same team. This often ends up with the greatest team steamrolling the opponents.
The greatest players are also on Mumble. This means that one team has 25 players on Mumble, while the other team has 10. This makes a huge difference.
Now don't get me wrong, switching players on request is very nice of you. But what you could do as a clan, is split yourselves in half, instead of having your whole clan on one team.
I've often seen this. NwA ++ vs. pubbers. It doesn't end good.
I know it's your server, and you do whatever the fuck you want, but if you split up in half, it would be funnier for both parts.

Admins.
I've seen admins being a lot faster on the !k or !b if the person breaking the rules is on the other team.
I would also like to see more admins. At least more than two admins on per map. If that's not possible, make sure those two admins are not on the same team, as administrating the other team is hard.
Having one admin on each team makes it fair.

Maps.
I do know that I said that your choices of maps are decent. But this doesn't mean that they need to be played all the time. Kokan, Lashkar Valley and Muttrah City (I love that map, but right now I think I'm speaking for more than just my self) are maps that are being played way to much. Your maplist should be updated more often.
Listen to the community. Again, this is your server, and you do whatever the fuck you want, but there are other players playing on NwA too. Ask the server which map they'd like to play next, instead of just setting one that you guys want to play.


I really hope you take this feedback serious.
Thank you,
saX.

[Curry]

I want that NWA is asking themself a question:
"Is it important to have clans playing on our server?"

It's pretty sad that you don't care at all - and im not talking about the ODS boat...

more soon...
Curry.

[kopite73]

sax thanks for the comments , ill try to encorouge the team to mix up more , but a lot of people like the same squads just as a clan of 5/6 come on the server to pla toghter so do our members but well try to encourage them to split teams .

we do alos try to mix the maps up each week and encoruge the map sugestion post in the forum . but as we just gone from one ins and one aas its a bit tricky to keep em all happy ( especialy that tarra guy )

contructive coments noted and welcomed .

Peace xxx

[Orford]

ok, some fair points being made.

Team stacking.
We allow smart balance via clan tags. What often happens is clan join and want to play with there friends. So instead of waiting to be switched they switch them selves. Which ends up as one of them will loads in unnoticed and then switches to the side with some *NwA* as they know they will have good team work. Then as time goes on more and more of there clan mates load in, thus all the good players end up on one side.
I have in the past asked clans as is our smart tag rule, no team stacking, to either switch sides at the end of the round or split there clan up a little. When *NwA* member switch at round end to balance this we are met with look *NwA* team stacking even though we are switch to taliban or ins team. Not even for best kit.
I have have also done this with clan members. I have also swapped sides mid round to organise the other team.
We are also adiment that *NwA* members don't switch for best kit at round end.
We promote mumble a lot, if people don't use it then our hands are tide. Your ooint of the team with the most on mumble seams to always win. Then yes mumble works and not its not always the team with NwA in it.

Now as for splitting *NwA* members across both sides, we are met with abuse and flaming when we switch clans loading in. Tbh mate this is a no win situation. Clans that are on the server want to play togeather with there mates, so do *NwA* members. I'm seeing a lot of unless you get to play with and not against *NwA* your gonna complain. You want your 10 clan mates who load in during the course of the evening all to be on the same side but the 8 NwA guys arnt allowed to play together. I think your asking for double standard.

clans loading in should see the balance of the sides an add to that balance and not abuse the smart tags and switch for best possible out come. There is too much playing for the win and not for the fun.

Admin standards.
Some of our admins need to wake up, some work 110% and feel put on and unsupported by other admins. This is being addressed. As for being to quick hitting the !tb or !k then we get hit from the other end *NwA* do nothing shit admins.
I decided to turn off the second server mid week due to poor behaviour by players when admins arn't on, knowing they arn't on the server and we was short of mid week admins. To maintain a quality server we just had one running.
Its has been said that we hide behind the, being an admin isn't easy you try it, argument. Well to be perfectly honest I'm seeing a lot of. Your there to serve me the player, I want this I want that. Yes some things are not quiet spot on but they are far from being as bad as you make out. Just they arnt going your way right now.

maps.

Again cannot win, we change map list server looses population due to unpopular maps we add to spice things up. No the fickle see xyz server has muttra so they go play there. We have a database of what map will run after the other, what map was on before the map that crashed, what maps cause a loading crash between loading. *NwA* has one of the most stable servers with few crashes during the day. The map list is one reason. One of the other reasons is we do not use setnext runnext even with the !save command. The % chance of a crash increases if you jump maps. Do you want to play 2 maps then crash, reload, load new map pick next map play half of that then crash. We had an issue with our servers RAM sticks that caused a lot of crashing. It took nearly 2 weeks to get back to normal population once it was fixed.

Thanks for your feedback,

points,
Smart tags, clan members stacking. I will have this monitored. Including *NwA* members.
Admins, too quick/too slow to !w !k !tb. This has been addressed already.
Maps, another damed if we do damed if we don't. But the server is relatively stable compared to others.

Tell you what I'll do. I'll add you to the admin list on our second server for this weekend. If you give me the names of your clan mates you can trust to admin the server I'll give you !w !k and !tb rights. We will seed the server and get it running but you guys will be the admins.


I'm offering this as a means for you to see how the other half live and to what a high standard the PR community hold us too. While your trying to enjoy your game.

When I say "you" I mean PR players. Not you personally.

Thanks for the constructive comments, I hope you take up the offer and we can work together to get a better understanding of our efforts to meet your needs.

[saXoni]

Thank you for such a good and comprehensive reply.

What I'm asking of you isn't much. All I would like you to tell your clan-mates is to don't all bunch up at the same team.
Let's say two other clans are joining your server. Together 12 guys. Switch one clan over to your side, while switching 6 of your NwA guys over to the other team. This way NwA has players on both teams, as well as both the other clans are happy, as they're playing together.
Now you'll think "But I told you that the NwA members wants to play together!". I know you did. But you're a big clan. Having 20 NwA-members on one side, and none on the other isn't necessary. Split them up 50/50, and smooth it out with pubbers and other clans.

I'm an admin myself, so I know it can get very hectic sometimes. Especially on your servers as you don't have many admins (at least not on at the same time). I'm just thinking the admins should do a bit more research before either warning, kicking or banning. Or not warning, not kicking or not banning, for that matter.

I understand that you don't want to use setnext etc. if it causes the server to crash. No one wants a server to crash. Instead of doing that, you can update your maplist more often. As often as you can, in my opinion.
This way the maps will vary, without you having to be afraid of your server crashing.

Tell you what I'll do. I'll add you to the admin list on our second server for this weekend. If you give me the names of your clan mates you can trust to admin the server I'll give you !w !k and !tb rights. We will seed the server and get it running but you guys will be the admins.

Not quite sure how I'm supposed to take this. Is it some kind of warning for me where you say "Administrating is not easy. Try it yourself if you don't believe me", or are you actually giving me this chance just to be kind?

By "your clan" I guess you mean the sN1. We're not very active at the moment, and I doubt that anyone but me will accept this challenge.

Again, I am an admin myself. I know it can get very hectic.

Thank you,
saX.

[Pruskis]

mumbler is getting kicked because admin needs a slot on 62/64 server. just epic. Welcome to European version of HARDCORE.

[Vincento94]

Pruskis we make space for people in teamspeak, and as we cannot compare every name from who is on mumble and who is not. We kick non mumble users for mumble users but sometimes we get it wrong and kick the wrong one.
We are sorry that this happened to you.

[Orford]

Thanks Sax, I think I may of got a bit stuck in my thoughts and carried on typing when I got to the offer of admining the server.

As I've said well try and get things straightened out, mix the teams up a bit more and keep and eye on clan/team balance. Also other clans not just yours also need to assist us with this. We all want to have a good game and have fun. Your clan is one of the better one Sax.

[Cp]

Thread unlocked on server admins request.

[Tit4Tat]

ive been playing on NwA server's for sometime and got into there second two none "community", I find that members and regular pubbers have the same agenda i.e too enjoy FPS the way PR intented, tacticaly sound great communication and most of the time... fair play.

As i read people saying "NwA use to much !b !tb, teamstacking" well in my opinion and from what ive seen on there forum 90% of them realise, appologise and are unbanned and become even better players, and bans are dealt with properly, teamstacking does happen, happens on every server
but 10.15.20 NwA members on 1 side i havent seen this, as SaXoni said high quality players play on NwA servers...so its very rare to see 5-10 NwA members on 1 side steamrolling the other side full of "high quality players" at the ebd of the day they are Noobs

As for maplist, NwA encourage the community too suggests choices and if it makes sense the admins go with it, for example ive suggest a list which was tweaked very slightly and is in play as we speak.

Nowdays there arent many servers that are to NwA standards...thats a fact....yer people will say TG PRTA etc but as people say "numbers dont lie".....


Thank You

_Smurf_1st

[Pruskis]

The O-DS, 3dac and SRF anti *NwA* alliance

I fail to understand that. What it has to do with #511 issue?

[IINoddyII]

Pruskis,

humbly requesting you take it to the *NwA* forums if you require any further clarification on your question and Orford's response.

The Project Reality forums are not to be used as a platform for users to rant/debate being kicked or banned from game servers.

You guys aren't getting a hint, are you? You're just looking for another flame war now. Drop that immediately, we won't hesitate with infractions.

What he said. The Mods really don't want / like handing out infractions - but won't step away from our responsibilities here.

Thanks for understanding.

[saXoni]

Quick question, Noddy.
Shouldn't Pruksis be allowed to respond to the claim that Orford wrote on this forum?
If Orford is allowed to claim that the O-DS, 3dac and SRF are anti-NwA, Pruksis should be allowed to prove the opposite without receiving any infractions or warnings from Forum Moderator, don't you think?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start another flame-war. I'm just curious.

saX.

[Orford]

I removed those comments after seeking clarifaction of the info I was given. What i was told was said but it was taken out of context and reported to me. I`ve spoken to the guy who had the conversation with one of our admins and said such things. Matter is closed.

Also *NwA* had a meeting with [3dAC] last night which has put other issues to rest and we are looking forward to a constructive and ongoing dialouge with them and the wider community.

If any *NwA* admin is abusive or disrispectful to any PR clan or public player then please take screen shots of in game chat and report it on our forum. Due to commitments in the real world some senior *NwA* admins have not been on as much as we would want to and standards have dropped. In no way have our admins not enforced rules and acted on rule breaking but we have found that they are going about it the wrong way.

Teamwork and game play on the *NwA* server is still very high but some of the comments from in-game admins have not been reflecting how we want to be percived by the community.

I consider as dose [3dAC] the matter closed and channels for feed back have been opend and we look forward to increasing our standards even higher.

*NwA* Orford.

[Arc_Shielder]

Needless to say that I love playing in your server, but I think the "Mixed" one needs more AAS than INS. We're having too much of the latter and is starting to sicken me.