Qwai armour imbalance

40mmrain · Post by **40mmrain** » 2011-12-27 02:08

Not sure why the americans get such a smaller and weaker armour force compared to the chinese on this map.

The chinese APCs get far bigger guns, and are amphibious compared to the strykers. the vn-3s even have bigger guns than the strykers. The bradley and the chinese tank are not equivalent, the bradley has to stop with it's ATGMs out, and has bar less armour.

This map gets ruined by the armour differences. The americans need 2 more bradleys, a kiowa with hellfires or an abrams.

dtacs · Post by **dtacs** » 2011-12-27 02:33

Just played Chinese on Sisu, OD-S (of course) rushed with the Chinese 30mm across and killed the Bradley within 2 minutes. This isn't taking into account the tank either.

I understand its going for an asymmetrical feel but the fact that the US get a Stryker going up against that much armor is just ludicrous.

ShockUnitBlack · Post by **ShockUnitBlack** » 2011-12-27 05:15

Bring back the Kiowa?

dtacs · Post by **dtacs** » 2011-12-27 05:37

Nope. Give the US 3x Strykers, the Chinese 2x WZ551 (30mm) + 1x WZ551A (.50 cal). None of this TOW Humvee/Bradley nonsense.

No point having a tank on a map like Qwai in the first place. It used to have it until the lightmaps were updated, don't know why it was put back in.

Navo · Post by **Navo** » 2011-12-27 10:09

Replace the Strykers with LAV's and we should be fine.

dtacs · Post by **dtacs** » 2011-12-27 10:21

That's USMC. Used to be on Qwai then the US Army was completed, who make more sense on an inland map as well.

Stealthgato · Post by **Stealthgato** » 2011-12-27 12:27

Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant

dtacs · Post by **dtacs** » 2011-12-27 13:20

Qwai would be the best map for a Stryker company, hopefully one day we'll see that cause unfortunately the US Army are kind of stale now

karambaitos · Post by **karambaitos** » 2011-12-27 14:06

Stealthgato wrote:Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant

all problems instantly solved

the US need to play defensively, in order to easily win that is they could until the bradley completely got so nerfed that now its just a loud pile of scrap, the biggest problem with the map is that the bradley needs to stand still for so freaking long, and everyone knows what happens to apcs that stay still for too long

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2011-12-27 16:06

Chinese tank is so lame. Its not even considered a threat. Weak armor and quite weak atgm. But I agree tank is too much for this map. Remove Bradley and balance it with tweaking Chinese armor. But lets not make it too easy for USMC

tankninja1 · Post by **tankninja1** » 2011-12-27 17:23

The Strykers are the biggest problem on this map, the Americans get so many of them but the only piece of armor they can kill are the little VN-3s which, unrealisticly, can also kill the Strykers ( the Stryker is armored against 14.5mm rounds)

40mmrain · Post by **40mmrain** » 2011-12-27 17:51

Stealthgato wrote:Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant

MGS totally trumps all enemy apcs, and is able to damage enemy tank, an MGS a bradley and some .50 strykers would be better.

Navo · Post by **Navo** » 2011-12-27 18:31

Stealthgato wrote:Change one of the Strykers to an MGS variant

You genius *******

Portable.Cougar · Post by **Portable.Cougar** » 2011-12-27 19:39

Map is fine. Layout is fine.

Your just playing it wrong.

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Gotrol · Post by **Gotrol** » 2011-12-27 20:06

Wrong? The map is wrong, US should have total supremacy in everything every time, and the chinese should get only UAZ transports. Then it will be balanced.

/sarcasm.

ShockUnitBlack · Post by **ShockUnitBlack** » 2011-12-27 22:52

On paper, the PLA have a significant asset advantage over the US on Qwai, but it's an infantryman's map at the end of the day. Basically every vehicle on the map is just waiting to get HATed due to the small size of the battlefield (plus the bridge choke-points) and its myriad hills. So what you've really got - with the exception of the very fast, very small, and very well-armed VN3 - is a bunch of liabilities, not assets.

Changing a few WZ551s over to the .50 cal variant would probably be a good decision however.

40mmrain · Post by **40mmrain** » 2011-12-28 03:48

ShockUnitBlack wrote:On paper, the PLA have a significant asset advantage over the US on Qwai, but it's an infantryman's map at the end of the day. Basically every vehicle on the map is just waiting to get HATed due to the small size of the battlefield (plus the bridge choke-points) and its myriad hills. So what you've really got - with the exception of the very fast, very small, and very well-armed VN3 - is a bunch of liabilities, not assets.

Changing a few WZ551s over to the .50 cal variant would probably be a good decision however.

nah nah, theres nothing liable about the armour as defensive assets.

Portable.Cougar wrote:Map is fine. Layout is fine.

Your just playing it wrong.

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yup no map is ever imbalanced youre just playing it wrong! Why not give the chinese 100 tanks and 50 attack helos? If the americans lose theyre just playing wrong.

PricelineNegotiator · Post by **PricelineNegotiator** » 2011-12-28 05:17

40mmrain wrote:yup no map is ever imbalanced youre just playing it wrong! Why not give the chinese 100 tanks and 50 attack helos? If the americans lose theyre just playing wrong.

I lol'd

Agreed with the MGS. Is that a vehicle already in PR?

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2011-12-28 06:02

PricelineNegotiator wrote:I lol'd

Agreed with the MGS. Is that a vehicle already in PR?

Why not AC130?

/facepalm

PricelineNegotiator · Post by **PricelineNegotiator** » 2011-12-28 07:08

MaSSive wrote:

Why not AC130?

/facepalm

Dude, this guy is right. We need the AC-130 on Qwai.

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