Hardcore Clan Letter to the BF2:PR Community

[saXoni]

H[= EasyAlpha;1717885']saXoni the thread was closed unfortunately because feedback turned into people posting ban appeals, all negative and positive feedback on our server and admin conduct is welcomed, drop us a line on vent or our forums for the time being.

Every server but you have one. You should too. Talk to a forum-moderator and tell him to unlock it.

[=]H[= EasyAlpha]

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[Meza82]

i've never had a problem with =]H[=, theirs is my favorite server. not sure what to make of all this

[MaSSive]

Is it possible to open Hardcore's feedback thread again, forum-moderators?

After reading all this here and previous thread I dont think it will. And writing on forums wont help much either. You know how it goes. Yada yada...

[saXoni]

I'm not going to sign up on your website, so you I'll write my feedback here until the feedback-thread on this forum has been unlocked (if it every will).

1: Start mixing up. It's understandable that you as a clan want to play together, but having the whole clan on one team is not the right way to do it. Split up 50/50, and play on both sides. This way both teams will have a good time. You shouldn't make a "Hardcore-only" squad either. Let the pubbers play with you.

2: Start using Mumble. I'm not saying you should enforce it, I'm saying you should recommend it - especially to your members, as joining your Ventrilo-server as a pubber is too much to ask for. Mumble is automatic, and it's all done by clicking one button. If your members start using it, pubbers will too. This way there's no reason for pubbers to join your Ventrilo.

3: Make sure the people you give admin-rights to are the right people. I was playing on Kokan a long time ago. The Taliban had a squad-bug, and an admin wrote over all-chat "Find out who it is. The next time he does it I will perm-ban him!". What the fuck? This is obviously lack of common sense and knowledge of the game and it's bugs. Make sure they know how this game works before they get admin-rights.

4, and the most important of them all: Listen to the community. If they've got anything they want to tell you, listen to them and give them an acceptable response back. Not just "I don't like it, this is bashing, flaming, etc etc".

[PricelineNegotiator]

H[= EasyAlpha;1717887']Thanks Hunt3r we are currently addressing these issues

I doubt that. Arcturus said it best that you aren't going to change. I bet a month will go by and your gameplay will go back to the same shameful **** that you have had in the past. What kind of attitude is "If you don't like the server, don't play here"? Your clan, with only a FEW exceptions, is just immature.

Edit: If a clan really has THAT much trouble running a server, doesn't that speak for itself? Why make all of the exceptions and excuses?

[Arc_Shielder]

As Coeman said in the official H letter we cannot please everyone all the time. I think that the reason it may appear that our server and clan causes a lot of trouble or has a lot of bad things said about it is because there are a lot of H members and a lot of players than come through our server. As a percent of total player base on our server I think the complaints would be less than or equal to the complaints of other servers even though there may be a higher number of complaints. Did I express that well?

You did and I really don't know how to reply to such a purposely flawed arrogant logic without sounding unpleasant.

The whole thing about "specific feedback required" was the biggest cause of conflict in your feedback thread as people pointed out a change of rules and what not, and they either got a dogmatic speech, insults or the universal repetition of "don't like it, don't play".

But, you sir, not only you continue with the same blindfolded arrogance of not perceiving what is cause for such negativity, you even come up with this ridiculous conjecture (that by irony, yourself dislike) - worthy of a Keanu Reeves meme - that Hardcore has the largest playerbase of PR and that itself might explain the insane amount of negative feedback. How that extends to DEVs, well, I'm sure your creativity is endless to come up with something similar. Or how to explain that you're the most populated server against the 2 very active of NwA or even PRTA's SISU - Hardcore scripwriters must be going insane by now.

Again, we cannot keep everyone happy, even though we try. After all we are only human and mistakes happen. we just ask you to be understanding and forgiving of our human traits.

Forgiving or tolerating just because you're humans would be the equivalent of an universal human right of "let's go insane, burn everything".

So far we've got a wall of text stating a small crack in a very strong foundation, a trolling meme - that was later withdrawn - and now you, displaying humbleness by topping it with piles of arrogance and a seriously flawed conspiracy theory.

Think it's enough to take you seriously?

[sabwarfare]

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[saXoni]

changes to the way we do this requires a clan vote and it may not pass.

Get ready for more negative feedback about your teamstacking and steamrolling then.

[|TG-69th|Wookie]

I think the issue is that no one really cares, because even if half the server is moments from rage-quitting, the other half is having barrels of fun steamrolling the enemy team.

I for one don't find steamrolling fun....

[sabwarfare]

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[illidur]

Why are you not using Mumble, which is downloaded with PR, and is something that requires so much less from a person than Ventrilo?

i'm pretty happy with H's mumble usage tbh. here is a pic from 3 days ago. i took it because im happy mumble is being used as normal now.

[saXoni]

I for one don't find steamrolling fun....

Which is good. Neither do I. Unfortunately the Hardcore-clan thinks it's great fun.

[sabwarfare]

I for one don't find steamrolling fun....

I agree 100% but I don't make policy.

[LITOralis.nMd]

I got to agree with saXoni's post #25.

There are not that many remaining PR players that can hold their own against the stacked H side.

We're talking about the law of diminishing returns, you're turning off the playerbase for PR as a whole, while simultaneously losing the quality of your own experience while playing PR.

You guys need to split yourselves 50/50 to balance the teams.

Other stuff is a general PR problem, when H clan go hunting for unknown caches with the combat engineer kit, it really ruins gameplay for everyone else on the map. Now I go unknown cache hunting myself, so it's a matter of self restraint. I know for certain there are members of your clan who know where every single cache spawn location is located on severeal different maps.

You guys then drive around in a Jeep like Municipal Building Inspectors looking for code violations and condemn every unknown cache you come across.

Is that really a game?

I still don't understand why you aren't using PRMumble, especially the H clan admins when online...

[saXoni]

I cannot post anymore on this thread due to my posts being the focus of flames from certain forum users on here. Please come to our clan forums on our website so we can further discuss criticisms and anything else you want to dicuss

What's the difference between this forum, and your own?

[PricelineNegotiator]

In response:
4. post on our forums. we look forward to all constructive criticism for sure

I urge you not to ask anyone else to signup on your dumb forum. Seriously. Why in the hell would anyone take their extra time to help your server out when it is obvious that you guys won't change? I would rather spend my time watching America's Next Top Model than registering and posting on your forums. It's a completely inconvenient way for the community to deal with HARDCORE, who is the PROBLEM.

I really think the real PR community should step up and voice their opinion on this matter, as it affects all of us.

[sabwarfare]

our server feedback thread got closed on here so we have to do it somewhere else

[Calhoun]

Arc pretty much said it, but I've got a couple of things I'd like to comment on.

It looks to me as you think team-stacking is okay, and if the non-Hardcore members wants to try and beat you, they need to join you on Ventrilo and start communicating. Why are you not using Mumble, which is downloaded with PR, and is something that requires so much less from a person than Ventrilo?


As both Arc and Ledo said; Don't like it don't play is not a valid argument. You need to stand for your actions, and let the community give you feedback - whether it's negative or positive doesn't matter. There's a reason why the community is unsatisfied, and you should learn from it.


Maybe you should take this as a hint? Again; there's a reason why the community is unsatisfied. Fix your server and policies to prevent this from happening. Neither the DEV's, nor the Mods or the PR community are the problem. You are.

EasyAlpha; there's another example of how horrible you're at defending yourselves. Come with some arguments, instead of posting useless stuff making you look like a idiot.

Out of interest, what happened with the guy telling the banned person to pay $5 to get un-banned?

EDIT: Maybe you should start everything by reopening the feedback-thread for this server?

A couple things:

1) People in a clan want to play with each other. They've got the right to play together.

That said, I have seen plenty of pubber teams beat the "stacked Hardcore team" before. Lately, however, I have also noticed =]H[= been mixing up their "distribution", maybe 60/40 (if not 50/50), with increasing frequency.

And they do use Mumble. I have seen plenty of them on Mumble and I have seen plenty of them encourage using Mumble. They've even offered help, creating "MUMBLE" squads, and then explaining or offering assistance in setting up and using Mumble, for people who are interested who join their squad for help.

2) "Don't like it? Don't play there" is a perfectly valid argument.

I don't agree with Tactical Gamer's "kicked for Supporting Member" policy which "encourages" you pay money so you can play uninterrupted, so I don't play on Tactical Gamer. Never until today have I complained about this, and I have only done so as an example.

I think you've got this view of the server which isn't accurate anymore, or maybe you've got a problem with certain Hardcore members so you've decided to make it a problem with the entire clan. Whichever it is, I've seen nothing but positive changes since I started playing on their server years ago and I think while it was a great place to play then, it's an even better place now.

You claim "the community is unsatisfied," yet the Hardcore server is often populated, which is an indication you're wrong. I see people complaining about things every now and then in-game, and they're usually people who don't understand the rules or are unaware of the rules.

I'm simply another player, not a member of the Hardcore clan, and I'm satisfied. The players who populate the Hardcore server, too, appear satisfied. I would have expected they would at least post constructive feedback and valid complaints on their Hardcore forum if they are unsatisfied, but I haven't seen feedback beyond map rotation feedback myself.

I urge you not to ask anyone else to signup on your dumb forum. Seriously. Why in the hell would anyone take their extra time to help your server out when it is obvious that you guys won't change?

"You need to change, but you're not going to change, so I recommend people don't post feedback on changes they want, or things they dislike!"

Why do you consider it worth your time to go on about how "nothing will change, they won't listen, our feedback will be ignored, etc." but not to actually take the time to come up with actual constructive feedback? You've got no right making complaints about the way something is, if you aren't going to make an effort to change or improve it, because you're obviously not really interested in it being changed or improved.

[mace1141]

To the Project Reality Community,

This is Michael w Mace aka mace1141. I have been Apart of Hardcore from the

beginning. What we strive for here at hardcore is to simply play the game/Love the game.

We love it so that we find our self's calling each other brother's rather then clan mat's.

The resign I am telling you this is that it is hard to get to this level of camaraderie ship.

Hardcore strife?s to teach new people on how to play the game in so many level?s. Squad

leading, Flying, Mortars and exc. This is time and time again. Hardcore is a small good

part of the pr community. Some people think other wise but I am here to state a small

part of What I have seen and done.


As Hardcore we Take pride in our forums to where most of this drama is taken care of.

We have grate admen?s that are prompted in there decision and if a public player don't

like that decision They can report them to the admin abuse section. We are a well policed

admen machine. With respect I ask all that have a problem with hardcore to go there and

voice your opinion's so we as a clan can grow and learn to be better.


If this is to out of the way come to are ventrilo channel and We can talk over Voip.

Thank you
Web site hardcoregamingclan.com
VIOP : IP 216.6.224.114 Port number: 3904

Thank you, Have a nice day