Hardcore Clan Letter to the BF2:PR Community

[wizzard_uk]

ok so you dont belive me an yeah my spelling is not great but then i never claimed it be perfect as i am "only Human"

[Gaz]

this is on their forum site taken directly from an unban appeal and after reading some of the other forum letters on thier home page i have discovered that it is in fact common practice for them to "charge" ppl to get unbanned dont belive me then i have screen shots if required

Screenshots PM'd to me directly would be appreciated.

To answer the original post, COEMAN, the open letter does very little, if anything, to answer the actual issue where this has all come about. That is, requests that payments should be made in order for server bans to be lifted. That, and that alone is the issue, and one that I have so far not seen a satisfactory explaination for. If that's the case then an admission, apology and assurance that this practise will no longer take place is what I would require. I did ask for this to be looked at by yourselves and for an answer to be sent to me via PM, so I'm not sure as to why this thread has popped up.

IRT the Hardcore server feedback thread, it has been locked indefinately here for a number of months due to consistant need of moderator action/cleaning. We will address that in time if the matter above is concluded satisfactorily. Servers are of course allowed to operate as they wish within the constraints of the PRSL agreement. As said, if you don't like how they run the server, stay away from it. It's a personal choice on where you play as a player. However, it is of course mutually beneficial for servers to consider feedback from community members. I hope that things like the commonly mentioned team stacking can be looked at by Hardcore clan, as it's a legitimate comment. It is of course up to yourselves if you decide not to do anything.

I'm not sure where the discussions of TG comes into play here, as their voluntary membership scheme has very little, if anything to do with this matter, and is not in question. People mentioning it seem to be missing the issue completely.

I will leave this thread open as COEMAN (I assume) wishes it to be discussed maturely in public. I ask that the thread stays civil and posts be on topic and relevent to H clan's server and/or recent actions.

[LITOralis.nMd]

Your credibility, wizzard, is almost as puerile as your spelling.

Hi Jafar,
Wizzard is 100% in correct and the misspellings in his post are verbatim from GCLub's post in the HArdcore thread here:

http://www.hardcoregamingclan.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?91409.post

=]H[= g-club Thu Jan 05 2012, 12:37PM

Inquisitor



Registered Member #426
Joined: Sun Jan 24 2010, 08:12AM
Posts: 1127 i gave u a chance to make it up but u blew it but we could fix this , u have 2 options :
1 : buy a nother cd key , change your name and hope we wont catch u , living the life of a fugitive
2 : the new cd key costs about 5 bucks so to get unbanned u could donate 5 bucks ( to know how go to the home page ) your record will be erased , u will come out clean , show us how much u appreciate our server
note : you have 48 hours to response and if u decide to donate your ban will b in the pending state until we recieve your money
start counting as of 01/05/2012 11:40 am , by the time u read this message you have less than 48 hours act fast , offer time limitted

[ Edited Thu Jan 05 2012, 12:39PM ]


total-overkill
Gclub to turn his orbital cache locator satelites into a cyberwarefare spynet

H[= MAC$DRE]
I love to see the hunt being taken byond our own borders

AND THEN GCLUB FOLLOWS UP ON THE POST HERE:



http://www.hardcoregamingclan.com/e107_ ... 91409.post

=]H[= g-club Sat Jan 07 2012, 04:16PM

Inquisitor



Registered Member #426
Joined: Sun Jan 24 2010, 08:12AM
Posts: 1127
looks like u missed the offer and u r having fun on HOG . ban stays .


total-overkill
Gclub to turn his orbital cache locator satelites into a cyberwarefare spynet

H[= MAC$DRE]
I love to see the hunt being taken byond our own borders

these are the kind of players u want in your sq , they are always there for you :
ak2100 , =]H[= mines_skyline, Mace1141 , thesystem25 , dy.21 , PRWARs felt007

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I personally like GClub and enjoy playing with him, though I do get bored when he's doing the rounds searching for unknowns, he has memorized every cache location on every INS map in PR. I'm still amazed at how many people have memorized all those spots... I have a hard time remembering where I put my tools on my workbench, let alone locations on virtual worlds.

Anyways, the "pay to play" situation is appalling to me, I hope they can work something out. On that note, I hope they aren't having funding problems... GClub is from a country where USD$5 is equivalent to 5% of the median weekly salary... and he has donated to keep the H PR server running...

[saXoni]

They don't have funding problems. They've already got 135% of their monthly target.

[ubernuka]

Your credibility, wizzard, is almost as puerile as your spelling.

I have known wizard since my teenage years in real life and i will vouch for his credability over yours any day of the week. Wizzard has only played his first games of PR in the past month and this has been his first experience of our community i hope it hasn't clouded his opinion of the game.
Additionally he was witness to the the evenings proceedings on TS and ingame. Sooooooooo
I would say his opinions were probably more valid than some of the pathetic posting we have seen.......wouldn't you?

[saXoni]

His opinions doesn't mean shit to them, as you know each other. As we all know, the clan doesn't like you.
No offense.

[Jafar Ironclad]

Oralis: Noted, with thanks.

I can accept the credibility of the quote now, but Wizzard popping in... I'm sorry, but true or not, it strikes me as a reasonable next step in a defamation campaign.

And G-Club, whether or not you were serious, that's frankly mortifying. If you're going to pull admin, I would hope that you utilize some semblance of the proper English language while you're at it. I don't think it reflects particularly well on the clan, at least from my point of view.

I'm not going further to interject with my opinion or judgment on this, until this investigation is resolved.

I will say, as a former member of the clan, that there are members of =]H[= I respect greatly, and am saddened that their reputation here is tarnished with the rest of the general outpouring of displeasure. To each additional individual posting on this thread, I suggest you name, at the end, any number of =]H[= members you have had a positive experience gaming with. I don't imagine they're feeling too great at the moment.

I'll start with a few I can think of off of top of head. Coeman, TheMillitary, USMCbarbdwyer. (hope I got your name right, will never forget the textbook retreat on Lashkar)

[ubernuka]

His opinions doesn't mean shit to them, as you know each other. As we all know, the clan doesn't like you.
No offense.

None taken

I sort of got that they don't like me.


I don't really care and don't really like them anymore either.

I was actually growing to like their rebel attitude until all this happened and [Fc] were happy to go there for a challenge against the odds kind of thing

Who i feel for are all the hardcore gamers that have lost access to their server it was never my intention to cause so much grief for all the good guys they have got. ops: ops:

Please don't claymore me

[ubernuka]

Jafar Ironclad;1718071']Oralis: Noted, with thanks.

I can accept the credibility of the quote now, but Wizzard popping in... I'm sorry, but true or not, it strikes me as a reasonable next step in a defamation campaign.

And G-Club, whether or not you were serious, that's frankly mortifying. If you're going to pull admin, I would hope that you utilize some semblance of the proper English language while you're at it. I don't think it reflects particularly well on the clan, at least from my point of view.

I'm not going further to interject with my opinion or judgment on this, until this investigation is resolved.

I will say, as a former member of the clan, that there are members of =]H[= I respect greatly, and am saddened that their reputation here is tarnished with the rest of the general outpouring of displeasure. To each additional individual posting on this thread, I suggest you name, at the end, any number of =]H[= members you have had a positive experience gaming with. I don't imagine they're feeling too great at the moment.

I'll start with a few I can think of off of top of head. Coeman, TheMillitary, USMCbarbdwyer. (hope I got your name right, will never forget the textbook retreat on Lashkar)

Same here. Had some epic rounds and good laughs there.

[deadlie1]

I see this as the biggest problem with PR. The gameplay depends so much on teamwork that if a lone sniper takes a truck off into enemy territory then the team will have no firebase. Should his conduct be addressed? If you sit in main and shoot your teams apc with a LAT should you be banned? If you fly your chopper into some other guys chopper because he took it and wasnt in the right squad should you be punished? I see the flamers of this thread (not everyone, but you know who you are; and are guilty of these infractions as I have seen with my own eyes) taking this opportunity to bash the Hardcore server.

I was very excited about a new PR2 coming out ; but saw the problems of governance hindering the experience. i made my argument to one of the devs and HERE the problem comes to a head. I was banned from another popular server for running over the HAT that was about to shoot me, their rules ok. I dont play there and dont flame them. I cant play on another server because im not using mumble. I dont enjoy the experience on another server because I dont speak the language.

PR used to be what me and my friendas called video crack. Now i worry for the future of the greatest game. I dont belong to the hardcore clan and play there frequently. Through my actions I have gained alot of respect and given respect.

Take away all the servers or moderate them with consistent rules that apply to everyone.

[ubernuka]

I see the flamers of this thread (not everyone, but you know who you are; and are guilty of these infractions as I have seen with my own eyes) taking this opportunity to bash the Hardcore server.



P

Got to agree with you there. Some have taken it as an opportunity to have a bash

I have got to admit to a certain amount of confusion over all this

[=]H[=CubCadet1972]

I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to post here. your input is appreciated.

Hardcore does not now nor will ever require payment to play on, be unbanned from our server. This was an isolated incident of a member making a poor decision.

If needed, we will post right on our forums, in the unban request area that no one will ever be asked to make a monetary donation to our server in order to play, or be unbanned.

Our feedback thread was locked on Coeman's request in order to end the constant flaming, and to put an end to the constant moderator actions needed.

I would like to remind our members not to engage in arguments on this forum, and discussions of bans or kicks are not permitted per this forums rules.

[saXoni]

Is Coeman sure he doesn't want to give the community a second chance, and tell Gaz to re-open the feedback-thread for your server? This will make it a lot easier for everyone to give your server proper feedback.

[wizzard_uk]

H[=CubCadet1972;1718137']I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to post here. your input is appreciated.

Hardcore does not now nor will ever require payment to play on, be unbanned from our server. This was an isolated incident of a member making a poor decision.

If needed, we will post right on our forums, in the unban request area that no one will ever be asked to make a monetary donation to our server in order to play, or be unbanned.

Our feedback thread was locked on Coeman's request in order to end the constant flaming, and to put an end to the constant moderator actions needed.

I would like to remind our members not to engage in arguments on this forum, and discussions of bans or kicks are not permitted per this forums rules.

having seen an read your unban quotes on your server there have been more than one incident even one where you yourself have been involved so to say this was an isolated incident is wrong

[ubernuka]

H[=CubCadet1972;1718137']I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to post here. your input is appreciated.

Hardcore does not now nor will ever require payment to play on, be unbanned from our server. This was an isolated incident of a member making a poor decision.

If needed, we will post right on our forums, in the unban request area that no one will ever be asked to make a monetary donation to our server in order to play, or be unbanned.

Our feedback thread was locked on Coeman's request in order to end the constant flaming, and to put an end to the constant moderator actions needed.

I would like to remind our members not to engage in arguments on this forum, and discussions of bans or kicks are not permitted per this forums rules.

I tried the unban request and just got flamed and abused. So I'm sorry at this point I'm not buying it either.

[=]H[=CubCadet1972]

having seen an read your unban quotes on your server there have been more than one incident even one where you yourself have been involved so to say this was an isolated incident is wrong

That was not my ban, it was another members. We do not interfere with other members bans. It does not infer that I condone it.

[wizzard_uk]

i didnt say it was your ban my argument was that you said it was an isolated incident which obviously it wasnt as i have seen on your own forums
(i?so?lat?ed
   adjective
separated from other persons or things; alone; solitary) as this was obviously not the case get your facts right an read your own forums an see previous posts where ppl have been asked for $5 or even $10 donation to be unbanned

[rebelpancake]

can i just say some of the filth i have seen written in the hardcore server chat BY =H='s was so shocking i refuse to allow my 15 year old to play there i have never seen any problems like this on HOG or TG or even on the old UKWF!

[KiNg828]

Ive read through this whole topic and seriously, its so blatantly obvious the same person is making these stupid accounts to try and bolster his own opinion which he cant do on his own account (ubernaka). Like the two above. Really need deleting. Better to have a civil discussion on the problems than be stupid about.

OT: I play on the Hardcore server sometimes and personally had no problems. You get bad admins on all servers its life but the money thing really does need sorting majorly, thats just taking advantage of the PR Team for whom make this modification available to us. I hope you guys can sort this out.