HAT shoot blanks when prone!!!

[Kspiteri]

Description:

When with any of the optically tracked anti tank launchers, and firing from prone, no actual missile is shot, despite the sound and firing action being displayed.

Steps to Reproduce:

Select the Anti Tank Kit with any faction having optically tracked HAT's, go prone, aim anywhere(except right in front of you) and fire.

Tested on:

most multiplayer maps on PR v0.973

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Pretty annoying glitch since going prone is supposed to give the best accuracy when firing the HAT's!!! ??:

[Unmanned]

rocket hit a ground and dont detonated.
actually, when you are in prone position - rocket moved underground. not a bug.

[Kspiteri]

this happens even when you aim straight up to the sky, so i dont think the rocket is hitting the ground. besides, HAT launchers SHOULD be able to fire when prone like LAT launchers.

[Brainlaag]

HATs do NOT work when fired from a prone position. It's not a bug but rather a feature to prevent exploitation, also AT weaponry that is intended to be fired from a prone position (see the standard issue RPG-7 with optics and bipod for the RAF), does work properly.

[Kspiteri]

i was just testing right now with some at launchers like the eryx, sraw and matador. Once fired , the missile drops slightly downwards before fully shooting off.

What this means, is that if the missile is fired when prone, upon launching, the missile drops to the ground and 'detonates'on the ground. (This is why no actual projectile is seen)

Shooting one of these missiles when prone on a destructable object (tank, humvee, supply crate) the same happens except this time whatever you are prone on takes damage while you are unaffected.

On the other hand, if you manage to get prone on the edge/railing of a tall building with space for the missle to drop, the missle launches succesfully, and you can see that its flight path starts from a point lower than you

Interesting stuff now that i figured it out!

[Kspiteri]

HATs do NOT work when fired from a prone position. It's not a bug but rather a feature to prevent exploitation, also AT weaponry that is intended to be fired from a prone position (see the standard issue RPG-7 with optics and bipod for the RAF), does work properly.

Oh btw Brainlaag, what map can i try the raf rpg-7 on please?
thx for the support!

[Brainlaag]

Any map the Russian Armed Forces are featured on (Silent Eagle, Iron Ridge, Beirut, Yamalia, Kozelsk, Black Gold, etc.).

[Stealthgato]

If it's gonna mess up then it shouldn't fire at all - like Alpha Project when standing or crouching with M82 it doesn't fire, a system like that.

[Kspiteri]

If it's gonna mess up then it shouldn't fire at all - like Alpha Project when standing or crouching with M82 it doesn't fire, a system like that.

I'd agree, or at least put something about it in the manual or the loading screen tips. It should be addressed by the PR team as i think there is a lot of uncertainty on this issue.

[fillsson]

I don't think those kind of AT weapons are meant to be fired from prone IRL.

[Tarranauha200]

I killed someone while firing from prone position. It doesnt always fire blanks.

[Brainlaag]

If you are slightly above ground and you got nothing infront of you (like sitting on a ledge), the missile will arm properly. Basically how it works now, afaik, is that the rocket fires below the launcher itself, hitting the ground texture the moment it leaves the tube. Avoiding this, by sitting on higher ground or a crest, you can fire from a prone position.

[Stealthgato]

Just leaving this here (for the people saying or who might say they cannot be fired prone IRL):

[Brainlaag]

Well IRL you can't crouch behind a ridge and just blast away a vehicle miliseconds after standing up. I think it got implemented to prevent exploitation.

[Ca6e]

Hm stealthgato, IRL they have tripods, couse i dont tink u can hold 25kg weapon straigth when u are proning! But anyway this is becouse in the game HAT was just too powerfull.
And one more thing, javelin is operated by two man crew, one is carrying tube and one target sytem box. Also it have disadvantage, couse its lock and forget system, and if shooter dont have line of sights, missile will miss (so if u shoot on tank, and tank move behind cover before impact missle will miss), its not like in the game where javelin is warking like a tow wich have wires. Also one disadvantage is cooling system who needs to cool down at least 1 min(30s by book), before another shooting.

Couse we cant have all IRL things implemented into PR, and i think HAT now is already to much powerfull, it sould stay the way it is.

[saXoni]

IRL they have tripods, couse i dont tink u can hold 25kg weapon straigth when u are proning!

Shouldn't it be easier to hold something straight while prone? It's easier to fire a rifle when prone, I don't see why it shouldn't be the same with a H-AT.

[sylent/shooter]

you don't really have a shoulder to rest it on when you go prone. Because if you tried it would either rest on your back = burnt back when fired, or slip off your shoulder. Plus you probably wouldn't be able to use your torso alone to lift it to fire it

[Stealthgato]

Hm stealthgato, IRL they have tripods, couse i dont tink u can hold 25kg weapon straigth when u are proning!

Yeah, I remembered about this but I thought it was just the current-model-not-having-it problem.

[MaSSive]

Shouldn't it be easier to hold something straight while prone? It's easier to fire a rifle when prone, I don't see why it shouldn't be the same with a H-AT.

How would you know? Ever fired any small arms while prone?

Its easier in terms of precision, but tbh its quite tiresome after a while for the back, especially if you wear a ton of equipment on the back, and have to wear a gas mask.

So technically yes it is easier if you have anything to support it. Talking about just any weapon here.

Just leaving this here (for the people saying or who might say they cannot be fired prone IRL):

If you look closer here you will see small tripod underneath it.

[Arnoldio]

And they have their feet moved away from the backfire area, wich is not simulated in PR. It makes sense, and there is no need for a change, sinceprone has 0 benefits.