Mouthpiece wrote:Lol, you can't do an attack on a objective with 3 inf squads covering each others approach while overwatched by an apc, tank and a attack heli up in the sky. You just cant communicate so quicky and efficently using ingame tools. You can't talk to Mortars directly to coordinate their fire. You can't talk to pilot to tell him to make any landing or crate deploying corrections (you can, but mumble makes it 100% easier). And most of all - you can talk to every squadleader - at the same time or one by one. Talking to them is more convincing than typing "Ok, you guys defend point A and we'll atack point B". Oh, there are so many pluses on mumble, that my head starts to hurt thinking about not using it and advising servers not to be Mumble mandatory.
Teamspeak 3, Ventrilo, REGULAR Mumble, other VOIP programs, text, shooting your gun madly into the air like a rottweiler that hasn't had his steak. There is a number of way's it is possible without mumble however I do like mumble when it is used properly.
However there is still that problem of people being on mumble or not using it but still in the server/not communicating back even when they do.
i.e. "Squad (Insert here.) contact around the corner". Squad walks around the corner all of them are now dead. "Hey squad (Insert here.) should of been on mumble and listened. Chyea."
Mumble is only good if everyone is using it properly, like the AT4 that says point at enemy.
Doc.Pock wrote:There was a launcher made that will launch both at the same time. also downloading that one more megabyte isn't a problem I hope. As it comes with pr itself so you don't dl something separatly.
May not apply to those who just updated rather than downloaded the whole client all over.
[quote=""'[R-COM"]MaSSive;1746950']There are some servers which are forcing use of mumble and making it mandatory, and will kick you in future if you dont use it. On some of these servers bf2 voip is disabled so not having mumble makes you pretty much lonewolf.
However I disagree with all servers forcing it. Its quite simple. Not all people have computers powerful enough to run PR+Mumble at the same time. Factor for calculating this is not only raw processing power but internet connection too. For people with very low upload speeds mumble might cause stuttering, lag, and crashes/disconnects. You can lower bandwidth usage of mumble in its config, but then you lower sound quality at the same time, and again you're not achieving much. They will have mumble but will have hard time communicating.
Thats why I think mumble should not be mandatory on all servers, at least not yet. There are more reasons why not, but I find this one technical most important.[/quote]
Not to mention those with firewalls that cause a problem when trying to run mumble or cause too much stuttering/lag as is with just PR going.
[quote="Tartantyco""]Yes it does, because it unlocks potential and is inclusive.[/quote]
Please elaborate, because "Yes it does." simply does not cut it for me.
mat552 wrote:That's it then, my argument is invalid, you're the president of Asia. I'm sorry for intruding upon your space, I forgot you are always in channel with me, and that you hear what I hear. It's not a function of poor admining like it was in the beginning, people don't generally play music anymore, and spammers are dealt with.
And Arc, what makes you say that? Mumble's primary function is to allow 3D audio between nearby players. This audio, in my experience, degrades in useful function in a linear curve with every new player who enters range. The ability of squad leaders to share interesting tidbits of information like "There's.. uh.. a tank in.. uh.. E6 keypad.. Four? No, Five. E5 Keypad four. Keypad 6, excuse me..." Is nice, I guess. Brevity is a lost art.
Made me look up Brevity you dirty ba*****.
[R-COM]MaSSive wrote:If you own a coop server you can apply for a channel in Server admin section. If you dont see that section forget it.
And I visit Coop servers from time to time when I'm bored and tired of everything else. I dont even see people using bf2 voip, so why mumble then? Its so important for teamwork against AI?
Think not.
For those that train in Co-op for one it would be a nice aid. Or new kids coming to the mod to be able to get accustomed to the mumble system/proper radio edicate. As has been stated in the past Co-op can serve a number of purposes often which means training.
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