Is this one still under development?

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SGT.Ice
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by SGT.Ice »

'[USF wrote:Doc.Pock;1787243']Its never been canceoed just not a priority
It's an extremely low priority last I remember them saying.

Pock how does that tie to the OP? Everyone's jumping down his throat like he made a threat. It's a legitimate question about when the development of the thing will be done. I'm still wondering about 2, yet nothing has come of it all i've heard is rumors the last few days.
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KiloJules
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by KiloJules »

First things first: The model looks superb!

Secondly: He really just asked a simple question and he didn't ask you, Pock! He wanted to have an answer of someone who really knows it. So stop bandwagoning on him, if you have no answer to his question, stay quiet.

And as a third note: We all value the work, or at least most people do and still: It would be nice to have a little more insight from time to time.

The progression bar, which was a joke oc, is a bit too far fetched but let's say a list with all the developed stuff, listed after priority for example, would be awesome and could prevent many of these "pesky" questions...just saying.

If there is sth. like this available on the interwebz than you might just post a link to it instead of acting like the DEV teams Rottweiler....which you are not.
Navo
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Navo »

I am mostly interested in the new Chinese tank model.
Tim270
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Tim270 »

Is this one still under development?


Yes.

There is quite a backend to these assets where after the model and texture is done, you then have to do a interior, texture it. Create the optimized LODS, export it then code it. People come and go from the team so someone has to pick up the slack left by someone else and everyone already has a lot to do so it is indeed a balance of what gets done.
Wakain
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Wakain »

thanks for your answer tim.
Ninja2dan
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Ninja2dan »

[R-DEV]Tim270 wrote:Yes.

There is quite a backend to these assets where after the model and texture is done, you then have to do a interior, texture it. Create the optimized LODS, export it then code it. People come and go from the team so someone has to pick up the slack left by someone else and everyone already has a lot to do so it is indeed a balance of what gets done.
Pretty close the what I was going to type. Thumbs up.


As Tim stated, there is a lot more involved with creating and releasing any asset for the mod. You could have the most beautiful model ever made, but just because something looks finished in a render doesn't mean it's "game-ready". There is a lot involved with getting anything added to the game, which requires the work of several categories of team members. Modelers, texture artists, animators, coders, testing team, etc. Even just changing one line of code to add an extra magazine to a kit requires a lot of effort, not just in adding it but testing it out across all aspects to make sure it functions correctly and doesn't offset the game's balance.


As for releasing an unfinished project to the public to finish, this isn't always a viable option. Those assets retain a copyright, so if an artist decides that he wants to use the item elsewhere, they want to retain full "ownership" of the item. Handing it off to the public means they are giving away that item for free, no longer able to license it elsewhere. Sure, they'll have something nice to add to their portfolio, but it's personal choice to distribute something freely or not. What's wrong with an artist wanting to get paid for their time and effort?

If said artist decides that the project is not worth their time or effort to eventually finish, either for PR use or elsewhere, then they might decide to just dump the unfinished item into the public domain for someone else to play with. But if that artist feels they want to keep it, finish it later, or what ever, that is also their rightful decision to make.


Also be aware that there is a LOT of stuff going on with PR behind the scenes. The team of talented staff are working their balls off day and night, without compensation, to keep the mod going. Not only are tons of new assets being developed, but old assets are being fixed up or tweaked, new features are being added, old features being tweaked, bugs worked out, and testing is done over and over after every little change.

Think of it like an anthill. From the surface, you see little activity. But under the surface, the place is a mad-house with people running back and forth keeping things going. Priorities change constantly, new things pop up daily, and the staff is often so busy actually working on their projects that they lack the time to properly update their blogs or post news releases on the forums. A lack of posts doesn't mean lack of activity.


I'm not part of the "production" team, my role is basically to offer up advice and answer questions regarding matters that I have knowledge and experience in such as military- and law enforcement-related topics, firearms and weapon systems, explosives and demolitions, etc. So while everyone else is running around working on new weapon models or adding cockpit textures, I get to sit back and read through topic posts to follow their progress. Sure, there have been times I've seen some really badass stuff that I couldn't wait to see in-game, but I just have to wait like everyone else. And I can tell you honestly that the team forums are buzzing non-stop with active projects, and I'm constantly amazed at the progress being made overall.

Yes, some projects might be placed on the back burner for a while when other projects are given higher priority. But when you are dealing with an unfunded mod with a staff of volunteers, who are trying to work on the mod in addition to balancing real life such as family and work and/or school, it can be expected that things will never progress as fast as a fully-funded product. Give the team a break, be patient, and you'll have plenty to play with when the time comes.
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jerkzilla
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Re: Is this one still under development?

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As I recall, A dev going under the name Cheeseman was working on it. I haven't seen him around for at least 2 years so it's probably safe to assume that he got busy with other RL stuff and other devs were busy with higher priority stuff. He is still listed as active in the art department although I really doubt that page is up to date.

Also, I think someone misspelled "berserker" just above the windshield.
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Pronck
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Pronck »

Thank you devs for the answer and thank you guys who saw that I asked a question and I didn't rant. When people ask something you answer at least that is what I learnt. I never intended to rant the devs I just wanted an answer.
We are staying up!
mr.cuddelywuddely
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by mr.cuddelywuddely »

B.Pronk(NL) wrote:Thank you devs for the answer and thank you guys who saw that I asked a question and I didn't rant. When people ask something you answer at least that is what I learnt. I never intended to rant the devs I just wanted an answer.
I owe you an apology pronk,

sorry if i came of as harsh initaly it seemed like a rant to me after your second post.
Doc.Pock
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Doc.Pock »

First sorry of i sounded harsh or anything its just the points that have been repeated so many time and i just wanted to help, sadly with wrong wording.

Second about that rules post. It was a reply to OPs post about free speech on the forums, i have no idea why it uploaded so late.

Again sorry if my wording upset anyone.

Peace
KiloJules
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Re: Is this one still under development?

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Tim and Ninja, thanks for the answers!
40mmrain
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by 40mmrain »

uparmoured humvees are neat, for example on kokan, all humvees being fully armoured, perahps with optics on the m2, would be a worthy tradeoff for the stryker.
nicoX
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by nicoX »

Maybe the community should get a vote system, which things they want high priority on. Like Falkland mod or this model for instance :)
Jolly
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Jolly »

I think we can see it in near future.
I am more interested in HUMVVE armed with Mk19, Although I didnt find it on forum. :p
Jolly, you such a retard.
KillJoy[Fr]
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by KillJoy[Fr] »

He doesnt ask to get the moon. i dont know why you people are so nervous ...
Au dela du possible ...
Brainlaag
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by Brainlaag »

jerkzilla wrote:Also, I think someone misspelled "berserker" just above the windshield.
Yep there was a troll thread about it long ago :D
SGT.Ice
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Re: Is this one still under development?

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[R-DEV]Ninja2dan wrote:Give the team a break, be patient, and you'll have plenty to play with when the time comes.
Buttttt what about 2012!? or 2013!?
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Doc.Pock
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Re: Is this one still under development?

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well the mapper has merried. he has to first please the wife which means he has less time to map :P
killonsight95
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Re: Is this one still under development?

Post by killonsight95 »

Is it just me, or has anyone else ever seen ninja2dan make a post that's short.... it's always a massive reply, longer than anyone elses often going into a lot of detail..... he should write a novel o.o.

Also, wow guys never seen people say sorry on the internet...nice job.
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