An Open Letter to all Serious-Pants Players

[Brainlaag]

Now, now we're not here to discuss who's server was/is best. Servers work like companies, basically if there's no demand there's no product.

He only said it hasn't been up for a while, don't see any comparison to another server.

[SyntheticCoyote]

I want all of the PRTA people to get away from this, why are you hijacking this thread? THIS is a CIA project that Ace was kind enough to think of. And someone asked who payed for the server. CIA shall carry it, as it hosts other things that we do, ie: TS, K and H, other game servers like Minecraft etc. I fronted the first month's payment and set up costs. I WISH the server was paid for with hopes and dreams. As for this project, Ace has my full support in anything he needs, now i want to write a disclaimer on that, in no way am I claiming ownership of this or swinging my **** around so to speak, and in NO WAY will we use TG's name, why that was ever brought up was ludicris. Anyways I digress, I am in fact sickened that you PRTA fanboys are comparing admins and have the AUDACITY to come here and solicit your server. You have a feedback thread, use that. Why muddy waters that Ace is trying to clear up. I am hopeful that the outpouring of support I have seen here rings true. I am trying not to hamper Ace or the development team in anyway with my leadership of CIA, he has free reign obviously to do what he needs, the server is up, the rules need to be agreed on. As a community lets make this work.

Sincerely.

SyntheticCoyote

[DDS]

So let the community speak and be heard, do you want your TG back, is my proposal even necessary?

Speak.

No.
Anything associated with CIA I'll have nothing to do with. I still have the server logs to remind me why.
TG was above and apart for many reasons.
MATURITY in spades, friendliness, fairness and top notch admins.

[SGT.Ice]

No.
Anything associated with CIA I'll have nothing to do with. I still have the server logs to remind me why.
TG was above and apart for many reasons.
MATURITY in spades, friendliness, fairness and top notch admins.

I'd strongly disagree with that last statement from all the times I had to sort thing's out with an admin on TG, but that's just me.

PRTA should really jump off this thread, there's no reason to try and steal thunder from everyone else.

On another note the rules should be fair & not ludacris rules which people only want because they can't handle game mechanics or the engine.

[Dunehunter]

Feel free to discuss setting up a new server - hell, feel encouraged to do so - but don't snipe at existing servers/clans or there will be infractions.

[sweedensniiperr]

PRTA should really jump off this thread, there's no reason to try and steal thunder from everyone else.

There's no one here that said they were representing PRTA here in any way. Psyko only provided a friendly third-option, which was cut down immediately. A server and round is what you make it to be. Yes PRTA isn't exactly the height of teamwork and maturity but that doesn't mean players should give up on it and try make it so. Running a server takes work, running a good server takes even more work. You can't expect only good players to come to a server like this "TG server". Every server could be as good as TG was if only people tried. But people don't do that, we are lazy. We just want to hop on a server and expect good teamwork and awesome games and so forth.

I'm a member of PRTA, but I'm also a member of TG since 2 years and I'm gladly giving thumbs up to this project. Yes I played on TG and it was the best rounds of my PR so far. But we must not ignore the facts, TG isn't up and PRTA is. Players change and servers might want to change aswell. That is what I thought TG did wrong. I've offered my help to Ace and hopefully he'll accept it.

[SyntheticCoyote]

The server is built and running, they need to hammer out details thats all and they will unlock it.

[Acemantura]

No.
Anything associated with CIA I'll have nothing to do with. I still have the server logs to remind me why.
TG was above and apart for many reasons.
MATURITY in spades, friendliness, fairness and top notch admins.

Hey, hey, come on, dat stings

The server I am organizing will not have the admin style or "dead" players of our current server.

I'll say it once and I'l say it again, this is a community server, where soon, even you will be able to apply for administrative rights and eventually administrate if you pass the quality checks of our current core developing administrators.

[SGT.Ice]

There's no one here that said they were representing PRTA here in any way. Psyko only provided a friendly third-option, which was cut down immediately. A server and round is what you make it to be. Yes PRTA isn't exactly the height of teamwork and maturity but that doesn't mean players should give up on it and try make it so. Running a server takes work, running a good server takes even more work. You can't expect only good players to come to a server like this "TG server". Every server could be as good as TG was if only people tried. But people don't do that, we are lazy. We just want to hop on a server and expect good teamwork and awesome games and so forth.

I'm a member of PRTA, but I'm also a member of TG since 2 years and I'm gladly giving thumbs up to this project. Yes I played on TG and it was the best rounds of my PR so far. But we must not ignore the facts, TG isn't up and PRTA is. Players change and servers might want to change aswell. That is what I thought TG did wrong. I've offered my help to Ace and hopefully he'll accept it.

3rd Option. Apply to be an admin at PRTA, and discuss your ideas with me and some other guys. See if we can refine our rules and how things operate. Get some more of your friends to help seed it. We got people but they are burned out, and i think its best to have a fresh look at things.

Not saying i can make the world turn backwards, Im just stretching out a hand to see if i can make an already existing situation even better.

Heres my motto. The spirit of improvement is working into something that is already there, not starting from scratch. if you draw a picture and throw it away, the next picture will be totally different and the old one will be gone forever. TO better yourself you take the first picture and draw into it to make adjustments and addendums to your craft.

I'm also a member of PRTA.

I want all of the PRTA people to get away from this, why are you hijacking this thread? THIS is a CIA project that Ace was kind enough to think of. And someone asked who payed for the server. CIA shall carry it, as it hosts other things that we do, ie: TS, K and H, other game servers like Minecraft etc. I fronted the first month's payment and set up costs. I WISH the server was paid for with hopes and dreams. As for this project, Ace has my full support in anything he needs, now i want to write a disclaimer on that, in no way am I claiming ownership of this or swinging my **** around so to speak, and in NO WAY will we use TG's name, why that was ever brought up was ludicris. Anyways I digress, I am in fact sickened that you PRTA fanboys are comparing admins and have the AUDACITY to come here and solicit your server. You have a feedback thread, use that. Why muddy waters that Ace is trying to clear up. I am hopeful that the outpouring of support I have seen here rings true. I am trying not to hamper Ace or the development team in anyway with my leadership of CIA, he has free reign obviously to do what he needs, the server is up, the rules need to be agreed on. As a community lets make this work.

Sincerely.

SyntheticCoyote

[Brainlaag]

I hardly see an improvement here, this general thread, the whole concept has again become a this vs that thread. Instead of isolating each other and creating new servers on a daily basis for "the true experience" of PR and wasting money and manpower, get your shit together and help an already present place to flourish.

You want to know what's the biggest flaw of this community, what has changed since 0.5? Not the growing elitism and unfriendliness, not the lack of support and cooperation, not the growing number of griefers but the growing isolation of each gaming community. Instead of sharing this great mod all together, we are all shattered and bound to our own individual servers and in all honesty, I'm deeply sick of it.

A new server, maybe new rules and an new admin staff won't change anything until the players finally take the initiative and come together, no matter where, to play. I hope this project doesn't end in yet another "average or dead server" but even if it succeeds, I want be all too satisfied because of the facts mentioned above.

[Arc_Shielder]

The questions posed by PRTA members regarding an alternative option is plausible. Same as to why TG server wasn't filled if it was missed that much.

If there's anything offensive by doing so then by all means explain what's so unreasonable about it. You do not have to answer or accept, but neither have to call it a demoralizing attempt to destroy the project (or in other words, PRTA propaganda).

Leave the institutional paranoia aside and focus in what you believe it's best for the community. If this is going forward then I will support it. Even if it's not to the extension I was hoping to, as Brainlaag wisely mentioned.

[saXoni]

I hardly see an improvement here

You're not supposed to, either. We're still working in a closed group discussing rules etc. This has - as expected - turned into a discussion of servers and which ones that are the best, and it doesn't really have anything to do with the new server, except people trying to tell others how a server is supposed to be run.

[Brainlaag]

You're not supposed to, either. We're still working in a closed group discussing rules etc. This has - as expected - turned into a discussion of servers and which ones that are the best, and it doesn't really have anything to do with the new server, except people trying to tell others how a server is supposed to be run.

The improvement I was referring to, was not the project itself but people's logic. You still strive for detachment and isolation.

[Acemantura]

I don't believe it is isolation, and not really detachment either. This is not some clan that simply wants a server to have a server, rather I believe this project is making the server environment we crave as team players.

[Brainlaag]

I'll quote a few players from the "Goodbye TG" thread:

-"TG was the only server I was playing on"
-"I started playing there and never left"
-"No other server got my attention because I was busy playing on TG"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against your idea, it's just if people fail to actually get active on your server and leave their "regular" servers, you got nothing but an average server at best. Instead of setting up another server, try to gather people onto already present servers, thats where you should invest your energies.

It's disappointing that people do so few to actually promote good play, they don't take the time to check out other servers, they don't take the time to help out servers, they basically only demand. I mean, now people miss TG (yeh I'm referring to it for obvious reasons), yet they never, or hardly ever took the time to actually seeded. But all of a sudden you get plenty of pages of people that'd like to play on it. I repeat myself, you can do your best, and I wish you the best of luck and I'll support you for sure but if the playerbase fails to get rid of their chains and shortsighted thinking, nothing will happen, nor change.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

forums everywhere are full of words that sadly very often do not lead to action.

Loads of poeple sad about TG but nobody went to seed it.

These days we have what regulaly filled servers:

2 in East Europe Vbios and a second one

2 in Europe full NWA always and one other depends on seeding as to who it is sometimes PRTA, mERK or NWA second sometimes if it's a big night we'll see third full 7.62 or NEW

3 US 2 CIA and sometimes H or another.

So on a normal night we have six full servers, these days people have got to get together or else next year we'll be down to one US, one east Europe and one Euro

[colodorian]

After reading through all comments thus far my personal opinion lies with those such as Brainlag. Players do need to step up and seed and try other servers in order to get PR back on its feet. I will become more active in Ace's project and after I'm done here I'll poke around the CIA thread. I do have admin experience just not on a BF2 scale, I operate a few servers in other games and admin as well so I can offer my two cents. I can tell where Ace is coming from, wanting a serious TG standards server. I've played nearly every server I could connect to and I believe that a melting pot of all the best rules and qualities from many servers, not just a TG or PRTA setup will be the best for gameplay and popularity.

[Swaggzor]

NwA as a clan has been growing a lot lately, up to 94 members counted last week and the seeding is getting better aswell, earlier and longer.

i know there's isolation but you also need these tight knit groups to do the "filthy" work

[Brainlaag]

NwA as a clan has been growing a lot lately, up to 94 members counted last week and the seeding is getting better aswell, earlier and longer.

i know there's isolation but you also need these tight knit groups to do the "filthy" work

NwA being a prime example of how not to do it. Hardly anyone wearing a NwA tag, plays outside of NwA. Thats exactly how NOT to do it. I understand the affiliation you have and duties if admin, etc. but as colodorian said, we have to poke here and there, find alternatives, help out others and so forth.

Sorry for offtopic.

[Arnoldio]

No, everybody should do the dirty and the good work.