3-Round Burst is pointless.

[ComradeHX]

So it is possible that we can wait for 10 years(very plausible if PR2 comes out) and PR U.S. Army faction gets full-auto M4A1 so there will be no more complaints.

[Hunt3r]

Within the context of PR I will say that 3RB works great. On Muttrah it makes for much more controllable fire compared to the G3 on automatic when you are under stress.

Both are comparable though, and really doesn't make a difference.

[SGT.Ice]

The burst is all about how you use it. I prefer to not use it since I get less control, and it's only really useful to me if at all for door/room/stair clearing.

[waldov]

I think the 3 round burst is okish but you very rarely get 2 or 3 hits on an enemy using it unless at extremely close range. What i think they need to do is increase its rate of fire slightly which would enable you to score multiple hits, to make up for the M4A1s supposed lack of hitting power.

[Ragnarok1775]

3-round burst is useless. It's inaccurate and wastes ammo. Originally the M16 (M16 and M16A1) were fully-automatic with a 20-round magazine, which would empty quick especially when boots panic and unload in the enemy's general direction. A2 and A4 have semi- and burst instead. The burst option is supposed to be for suppressing fire only. You shoot hadji in the chest twice and if he doesn't drop due to body armor that was sold to them from North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, or the DNC, then failure drill (headshot).

On the note of armor, Kevlar armor only deflects shrapnel and pistol fire, maybe a crappy rifle like the AK-47 if it's at a distance and doesn't hit the center directly. It doesn't hold up to a real assault rifle or battle rifle at all though. Those ceramic plates we get in the US, though, will stop around six or seven shots from 7.62x51mm.

[Souls Of Mischief]

On the note of armor, Kevlar armor only deflects shrapnel and pistol fire, maybe a crappy rifle like the AK-47 if it's at a distance and doesn't hit the center directly. It doesn't hold up to a real assault rifle or battle rifle at all though. Those ceramic plates we get in the US, though, will stop around six or seven shots from 7.62x51mm.

No offence, but you are so full of shit on your statement on the AK-47.

Also, source on the last one.

[mangeface]

On the note of armor, Kevlar armor only deflects shrapnel and pistol fire, maybe a crappy rifle like the AK-47 if it's at a distance and doesn't hit the center directly. It doesn't hold up to a real assault rifle or battle rifle at all though. Those ceramic plates we get in the US, though, will stop around six or seven shots from 7.62x51mm.

Umm...what experience do you have with any types of body armor?

Here, let me break it down for you since I served in the Marines and took time to shoot the shit out of every piece of extra body armor I found with different calibers.

Kevlar-It's designed to stop shrapnel and pistol rounds up to .45 ACP. Depending on how many layers and the angle of the shot, you may get lucky with rifles, hence why you hear about people surviving head shots with their Kevlar helmets, but the vests are soft armor and not as thick as what Kevlar helmets are so you probably won't get nearly as lucky.

Ceramic Plates-There's 4 levels, numbered 1-4. Level 4 is all I will talk about since it's the ONLY one we use in the US military. Level 4 plates are rated up to 7.62x62mm (more commonly know as the .30-06) Armor Piercing rounds. I've shot a few of them with AK-47s (which are 7.62x39mm) using non-armor piercing rounds and not a single one withstood more than 3 rounds. So a rifle like the G3A3 firing a 7.62x51mm Armor Piercing round on full auto would more than easily blast right through body armor.

The ONLY body armor I know of that would be able to withstand the abuse you suggested, which it WILL take more than that, is AR500 steel plates. Which I'm definitely getting a set when I get the money.

Here, I'll let one of my favorite YouTube phenomenons named TheHossUSMC demonstrate AR500 steel and it's superior ballistics protection.


And a Level 4 plate being shot by a .30-06 AP round.

[Arab]

The burst is a good idea. I find when there's a target on the window at a building, I can take him out with 1-2 shots when I let the deviation settle. It's also good for hip firing when the enemy is close as it's a rapid fire and the bullets are spread out as oppose to spray and pray.

For other times, the single shots are useful for single take-downs and enemies 100+ metres away.

[billysmall44]

I agree that the 3 round burst can be really hard to use. I was playing on muttrah and i was up in a 2 story and saw a guy sprint across the street under 50 meters and I shot a whole clip and i think I only connected with 2 shots of of 10 bursts. Then again, i might not be the best shot.

Anyone else notice that shotguns are extremely hard to use too? I was playing one day and decided i was going to try the shotgun out on falluja insurgency and i crept into a room and shot a guy center of mass and all he did was flinch and kill me.

[godfather_596]

personally i hate 3 round burst but i cant count how many times ive been killed by it

[Lange]

Decided that this may improve with new deviation and i'm going to reevaluate when 1.0 comes out and see if its any better then post a new opinion.

[himond]

TBH the entire problem of burst is because of hit reg, if the engine actually registered shots instead of how it is now this wouldnt be a problem

Please, can you explain how does it works? I had the sensation that sometimes (in burst mode more frequently, maybe due to high rate of fire) two bullets at least hit the target but is like if (somehow) only one actually does.

[Lange]

Please, can you explain how does it works? I had the sensation that sometimes (in burst mode more frequently, maybe due to high rate of fire) two bullets at least hit the target but is like if (somehow) only one actually does.

You know how sometimes you shoot a guy the cloudpuffs come up but sometimes they didn't actually get hit. This is hitreg bug with BF2 and is the killer because if they only get hit once on burst for example that's only a moderate bleed whereas 2 is B&W or wounded for a insurgent anyway.

[FrostZeroOne]

burst fire is pretty useful IMO...i mean i agree that it is kinda hard to use in CQB but if you think out side of the box and play tactically and smart, u'll do great with it...because think of it that way, lets say u have to clean a room and there is a MEC guy sitting somewhere in the room (You dont know where) with a "Chainsaw" G3A3 as you say and waiting for you to step in...you obviously wont just come into the room guns blazing because that is some stupid COD suicidal thing to do.. you would think of another way in right? so lets go on by throwing a rope and the MEC dude hears that rope. you got no chance from there on...so just throw the rope and take another buddy from the squad to clear the room from another way in like the main door or something and get ur AR to suppress that room as much as possible so hes vision will get blurry and u can get him without even getting a scratch....even if one of you will get hit, the MEC guy would be dead and you squad medic will come to pick him up...

it is not as easy as it sounds but still... that is the weapon u have and it will not change so better get used to it and yes it is just one scenario out of a thousand but still...if u think just for a minute...u can overcome any challenge even without a weapon (civi kit).

[Arab]

I found this fix when searching for hitreg bug bf2 fix on google:
Battlefield HitFixer - Fixes HitReg for BF2/2142 • AutoHotkey Community

[MikeJT]

I have seen the second, and even the third shot from the 3 round burst hit BELOW the first round.

You would think that you would get a nice, neat, 3 round pattern with the first, second and third being in a verticle pattern, one after the other. This is rarely the case.

Most the time you get more of a rough V shape.

[FLAP_BRBGOING2MOON]

I found this fix when searching for hitreg bug bf2 fix on google:
Battlefield HitFixer - Fixes HitReg for BF2/2142 • AutoHotkey Community

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-2/324975-legal.html#post6542915

sadly its useless.

[freeway]

i would take the ak over the US guns anyday , the bust mode is not that useless but compare that to the full auto on the AKs it is useless , the more bullets u throw at the guy the better chance u kill him b4 he even have a chance to click , even when u dont hit them they still cant see sh*t . here is how it is done
so far i only see the fight between Hamas and IDF is a fair fight when both team have good guns , when i say good guns i mean the guns are accurate and able to shoot on full auto . MEC vs US if we take out all assets the US have no chance against the MEC their guns hurt u a lot and with the full auto it is the best . US vs insurgents the AKs own the town .

[saXoni]

"3-Round Burst is pointless" - no it's not.