TART - What was wrong?

[Raic]

I feel that many clans and communities do not get involved because they know the problems that come along with a tournament and they are looking for something different before they sign up.

Baseball, Hockey, and Basketball play multiple games a week so I think what you mean to say is not that sports are played no more often than once a week but no LESS than once a week, unless your talking about NASCAR and this isn't NASCAR. Games should be played once a week, we are all playing PR anyway and it doesn't make sense that it's every two weeks, let's start with that. Every 2 weeks is not acceptable, it breeds disconnect and disinterest.

Feel free to point your attention towards many of the communities which reside all around the Project Reality.
Project Reality Teamwork Alliance
Project Reality Clans
Here is place with lot of events
I would like to point that you are the only, ONLY, one telling us this. I, or the +100 Tournament members, do not care for that you want, we are here to do what we want. If battle every two-weeks is not your piece of cake, feel free to carry on the fuck out.

Give clans and communities an areana to compete and they will come to sign up. If things are going to be run like sports teams, let them have the honor and prestige that comes with a sports team. No sports teams are put together by the same organization that makes the rules and oversees the gameplay. Let them feel apart of something more permanent than a handful of battles strung out over a couple months.

You seem to have misunderstood something here, we aren't clan match making site, that is completly different and if that is what you looking for go there.
PRCL tried it.
Then there is a Infantry League.


I do applaud to you however, you have successfully pissed me off. /ignore

[volks]

Hello everyone. Its me, OReely.

I saw this thread too late maybe and couldnt read it all but one thing i want to put is that after the end of PRT, i just think that the name of the tournament or maybe the unit names ranks and etc is not that charming anymore.

I do understand that too much roleplay may sound childish, which i agree, but the most striking thing that got me into PRT 3 years ago was the NATO/CATA brands and the ranking/unit-naming system in it.

Promoting people with proper ranks to realistic units like xxth marine brigade and so forth was very inspirational for me as a "rookie" pr player. In fact, joining NATO/Alpha company with the 1st Marine Brigade was just a good feeling for me that motivated me for a long time and i know that im not alone on this subject.

When it comes to Tart, it was almost the same people with same organizational level but the tournament and unit names never looked serious to me and lack of dedication was the main reason for other Tarts to be unsuccessfull.

I think if we can get a little bit more specific, realistic and motivating unit-level + ranks that are somewhat closer to old PRT; this new Tart would be way more successfull. I always thought that this is an inspirational fact for "new" or "enthusiastic" players.

Again, this idea might have been said cos i didnt read the whole post so forgive me if i repeated someone.

I just wanted to emphasize on the fact that it would be very good if we can switch to the realistic or motivating unit and team names rather than this CORD/MULE stuff.

Regards
OReely

[Raic]

Hello everyone. Its me, OReely.

I saw this thread too late maybe and couldnt read it all but one thing i want to put is that after the end of PRT, i just think that the name of the tournament or maybe the unit names ranks and etc is not that charming anymore.

I do understand that too much roleplay may sound childish, which i agree, but the most striking thing that got me into PRT 3 years ago was the NATO/CATA brands and the ranking/unit-naming system in it.

Promoting people with proper ranks to realistic units like xxth marine brigade and so forth was very inspirational for me as a "rookie" pr player. In fact, joining NATO/Alpha company with the 1st Marine Brigade was just a good feeling for me that motivated me for a long time and i know that im not alone on this subject.
When it comes to Tart, it was almost the same people with same organizational level but the tournament and unit names never looked serious to me and lack of dedication was the main reason for other Tarts to be unsuccessfull.

I think if we can get a little bit more specific, realistic and motivating unit-level + ranks that are somewhat closer to old PRT; this new Tart would be way more successfull. I always thought that this is an inspirational fact for "new" or "enthusiastic" players.

Again, this idea might have been said cos i didnt read the whole post so forgive me if i repeated someone.

I just wanted to emphasize on the fact that it would be very good if we can switch to the realistic or motivating unit and team names rather than this CORD/MULE stuff.

Regards
OReely

While NATO did indeed name their units in that manner, CATA never did. Our ranks were never "realistic", they descriptive of the job and were simple. Our units were all named by different cat animals, expect air as cats don't fly. Now, ofc the teams can name their squads and units as they see fit.

Might be that the old CATA influence was there and still is, as when we thought about the ranks again over the weekend, we mostly thought "Whats the point?"

I think it is important that the teams build an image or brand as you said, for the teams. While roleplaying is something not too many are interested, units build their own image and attitude when they play and as "memorable" things and quotes happen during playing.

If all you can see is forums and teamspeak doesn't really matter how you name the team. Make signatures, slogans and behave as "proper x member does". Imagination goes long way. Oh and "propaganda", while we never really roleplayed, we had our fun with making posters of every battle and announcement. When battles were announced, Staff would make a text of how the NATO pigs are attacking and the great motherland must be defended or how we are beginning an assault for freedom from tyranny.


Now, team can use and build its image on some real-life country and it can be a great way to build motivation. Also in PRT both teams had medals which were given to soldiers for their actions, these don't need to be in anyway related to realistic awards, but when they are given and if they are given in "serious" manner for real reasons it builds feeling of unity and can be very inspiring for some to take more active part on things outside the game.

Doesn't matter if the guy is General Staff Officer or Major General, its the guys who make the rank.

Holy fuck you made me remember many things, have some things I must think over now!

[Brainlaag]

Raic, those crappy medals should be the least of your problems.

[Wicca]

TART will be great, not because of what its called, the ranks, the structure or even the people in it.

What really matters is a group of people coming togheter to play PR like its meant to be played. Organized, competitive and a friendly atmosphere.

Getting there is something we all have to do, togheter. I really hope people, who are chosen to their leadership positions work hard and activly. Towards making TART work. And the grunts below them, do their part to making the battles work.

Its up to us all to play PR in a really great way, lets not let old ideas keep us back, or new ideas weigh us down. What always has worked and will always work, is the squads and the fun we have ingame. Focus on that, and the game we always longed for, might just be right around the corner.

[DDS]

Sports have multiple teams and play every week, you can't simply take one aspect of sports and try and relate what your trying to do with that. Why only 2 teams? Why not every week? Sports teams also carry over leadership and build reputation, ways of doing things, and our responsible for their own success or demise where you have taken on that role but only halfway. I don't think trying to balance the two is going to work as well as having teams run themselves would.

What your doing is more like a hall of fame game and everyone knows the players dont take those seriously.

[volks]

Now, team can use and build its image on some real-life country and it can be a great way to build motivation. Also in PRT both teams had medals which were given to soldiers for their actions, these don't need to be in anyway related to realistic awards, but when they are given and if they are given in "serious" manner for real reasons it builds feeling of unity and can be very inspiring for some to take more active part on things outside the game.

Doesn't matter if the guy is General Staff Officer or Major General, its the guys who make the rank.

This.

Again guys i only wanted to say that those brands, ranks and medals and old stuff had been very effetive in spicing things up. Its not THAT MUCH important, but its still something and that something is pretty inspiring and motivational for NEW players that want to see PROPER GAMEPLAY. Or at least thats what happened to me when i was a rookie.

[Cossack]

Indeed, tourney needs atmosphere If tourney presentation and workplace (forums etc) looks silly, the attitude against it will be silly

[Raic]

Indeed, tourney needs atmosphere If tourney presentation and workplace (forums etc) looks silly, the attitude against it will be silly

I did create alternative color scheme for the forums, but so far the input for it has been.
-Looks like shit
-Also bugged
-Meh
A little difficult to work with those comments. Not going to remove blue from the forums, as it is our "color", but I don't really mind creating alternative schemes or even proposing changing the default if I get good scheme.

[CopyCat]

While NATO did indeed name their units in that manner, CATA never did. Our ranks were never "realistic", they descriptive of the job and were simple. Our units were all named by different cat animals, expect air as cats don't fly. Now, ofc the teams can name their squads and units as they see fit.

Might be that the old CATA influence was there and still is, as when we thought about the ranks again over the weekend, we mostly thought "Whats the point?"

I think it is important that the teams build an image or brand as you said, for the teams. While roleplaying is something not too many are interested, units build their own image and attitude when they play and as "memorable" things and quotes happen during playing.

If all you can see is forums and teamspeak doesn't really matter how you name the team. Make signatures, slogans and behave as "proper x member does". Imagination goes long way. Oh and "propaganda", while we never really roleplayed, we had our fun with making posters of every battle and announcement. When battles were announced, Staff would make a text of how the NATO pigs are attacking and the great motherland must be defended or how we are beginning an assault for freedom from tyranny.


Now, team can use and build its image on some real-life country and it can be a great way to build motivation. Also in PRT both teams had medals which were given to soldiers for their actions, these don't need to be in anyway related to realistic awards, but when they are given and if they are given in "serious" manner for real reasons it builds feeling of unity and can be very inspiring for some to take more active part on things outside the game.

Doesn't matter if the guy is General Staff Officer or Major General, its the guys who make the rank.

Holy fuck you made me remember many things, have some things I must think over now!

Not only did you bring up memorable stuff, but also things I've forgotten and things at that time that were the motivating engine for me to keep developing as a teamplayer and accomplishing greater and better stuff that I never imagined I would do, even as individual. Damn man, no matter how important it is, it will bring a serious and united atmosphere/mindset trust me - I really hope TART will become something every player will crave for every summer and talk about every autumn. Season has started .

[DoRn]

wow, there is a lot of tension in this thread. Why all this hostility.
Can't we all agree that TART is not PRT, that it had its weaknesses but everybody tries to work on this issuies and finally that Im going to pwn you all?

Seriously: Help improving or get lost!

[volks]

wow, there is a lot of tension in this thread. Why all this hostility.
Can't we all agree that TART is not PRT, that it had its weaknesses but everybody tries to work on this issuies and finally that Im going to pwn you all?

Seriously: Help improving or get lost!

If you are talking about my suggestion regarding the unit names, ranks and medals, then listen. If not, please ignore me.

What hostility are you talking about? Is it that much wrong to suggest re-branding the tournament with some oldskool features that motivate people and unite them around something which eventually makes things a lot easier for Commanders and Squad leaders? No one is trying to create a clone PRT here. Its just an idea to improve some shit. I've seen a good bunch of people who joined earlier TARTs for having a tourney experience like PRT but then lost their interest due to lack of discipline and "realness". Never forget that this idea of an organized tourney had started with PRT. So its natural for tart to have some parallel points with PRT but i agree that it shouldnt be same as PRT since PRT had its un-solvable problems too in the past.

[DoRn]

If you are talking about my suggestion regarding the unit names, ranks and medals, then listen. If not, please ignore me.

I wasn't referring to you, but Im not ignoring you
I was just reading like 10pages in a row, and I have to say Im shocked how some guys take this all so personal.
You are clearly not one of these guys, like I said, try to make it better or leave and you are really trying to improve stuff. I mean these overall negative ppl, who have to nag about everything, but dont know any better solution.

constructive criticism? more like destructive cynicism...

In general, Im just happy that there are guys actually trying to make a tournament, doesnt matter if it's good or bad, fun or pain. At least they give it shot, making the community more active and maybe even more connected. So let them do their thing and support them or leave them alone, everything else is a waste of time.

[volks]

In my point of view, the solution is having a serious and strict structure to offer the highest quality and supports the development of both teams. This only works if people leave their grudges and egos behind before joining the tournament.

You know what? I read nearly the whole topic as Dorn did and the most efficient and important quote was this.

I picked this out of Onil's legendary post but i think that this is the main issue that should be handled well. PLUS I suggest everyone to find Onil's posts regarding a new structure and evaluate it comparing to what we had in old Tarts. Really good and sensible arguments.

PS: Who da f2ck is that "Vicious" guy? Never seen him around in tourneys or Tart but he talks pure horseshit. I'm so pissed now that i can pull his throat out of his neck and throw it to the dogs. Just hate haters and fucking idiots that just talk shit and blame everyone for being a sad fucking loser. Dayum i'm angry again. That means im back.

[Brainlaag]

PS: Who da f2ck is that "Vicious" guy? Never seen him around in tourneys or Tart but he talks pure horseshit. I'm so pissed now that i can pull his throat out of his neck and throw it to the dogs. Just hate haters and fucking idiots that just talk shit and blame everyone for being a sad fucking loser. Dayum i'm angry again. That means im back.

Will you rage-quit now ?

[xambone]

NATO CATA, those names will remain with the official PRT. I wont go there.

I really think we are a bunch of creative people, but finding opposing "teams" is hard. And i would wish we could be more focused on the games, than the actual names.

Then again, what are we without our names? We have no emotion or connection to our identity.

Oh god its late.

Imma sleep.

SOOOOO Dramatic when your tired...

Create new Names. Originality = Sexy

[volks]

Will you rage-quit now ?

No I'll rage-fuck. Joking aside, what rage quit are you talking about Brainlaag? Can you be more specific please? Thanks.

[Brainlaag]

No I'll rage-fuck. Joking aside, what rage quit are you talking about Brainlaag? Can you be more specific please? Thanks.

I have internal sources that claim you have been a very active rage-quitter. Not necessarily the right spirit.

[L4gi]

Everybody mad!

[psychickactivity]

Is The DEV going to calm everybody or are you going to let this forum die ?

Wake up men !!

Do your job .