Unrealistic IDF weapon loadouts

[Doc.Pock]

because we have established that putting an M4 in a loadout with a bunch of Tavors is unrealistic and absurd.

you have established. also its PR's way to simulate medics being in the back not front line shooting hamas in the butt

[9001]

PR seems to be set 10 minutes into the future, so chances are high that in any war just in the future most regular armies would find that supplying ACOGs or Magnified scopes are well worth the cost and make the infantry far more effective, similar to what most NATO countries have found in Iraq and Afghanistan. Continuing on the topic of scopes most armies around the world allow soldiers to attach whatever attachments they want to their guns provided that the soldier buys said attachment.

Actually, from what I understood the IDF isn't overly fond of scopes. Having the 3x mag on the Tavor can occlude the optic and can be a hindrance in close quarters, which is where the IDF infantry likes to spend its time,

And the IDF doesn't care for soldiers being too independent with their combat gear. My squad commander got yelled at for having a foregrip which he bought himself because it wasn't "official". Buying and attaching anything which the IDF has yet to standardize is a no-go. If, say, I bought my own Trij when I had a Meprolight before, that's okay because the IDF recognizes the Trij and knows how to work with it. If I showed up with an EOTech holographic sight though, I wouldn't be allowed.

[billysmall44]

Actually, from what I understood the IDF isn't overly fond of scopes. Having the 3x mag on the Tavor can occlude the optic and can be a hindrance in close quarters, which is where the IDF infantry likes to spend its time,

And the IDF doesn't care for soldiers being too independent with their combat gear. My squad commander got yelled at for having a foregrip which he bought himself because it wasn't "official". Buying and attaching anything which the IDF has yet to standardize is a no-go. If, say, I bought my own Trij when I had a Meprolight before, that's okay because the IDF recognizes the Trij and knows how to work with it. If I showed up with an EOTech holographic sight though, I wouldn't be allowed.

He is kind of right. The army has contracts with certain arms manufacturers and would rather see you spending the money they pay you back to them, so in turn, it can go back to the army.

[9001]

He is kind of right. The army has contracts with certain arms manufacturers and would rather see you spending the money they pay you back to them, so in turn, it can go back to the army.

LOLOL, not quite. The problem is when the Lieutenant Colonel of the battalion looks at your gun and says, "What the fuck is on your weapon?!"

I heard a story of an American who went into the IDF, and got some friends to bring him a really expensive scope for his M4, something really nice. He showed it to the company captain, and the captain was bewildered as to what to do. Israelis aren't gun nuts like Americans are, so this just never happens. They went to the Colonel, and the Colonel apologized to the American and said no. The Colonel had no clue as to how the scope operated, and couldn't have soldiers running around with weapons whose operational parameters were outside of his knowledge.

they have since retired

Okay, look, I have a few pictures from my service, but honestly, you can open up google. The spread of pictures do it themselves. 99% of IDF soldiers with a Negev don't have scopes, and most CTARs don't have the 3x mag. If the website is showcasing the weapon, they probably have a crowd of people around and the thing is covered in attachments. But pictures of soldiers themselves should be exactly as I say. Very unlike Project Reality.

I was working with M4A1s, but I have a few Negev pictures. If I bothered to upload them, would you believe me?

[Rudd]

Dude, I'm not saying you're wrong lol! I'm just discussing, attempting to gain a better understanding.

I'm quite happy about the negev thing, as I said, it increasing faction uniqueness as well as increasing realism if you are correct.

[Spec]

I'm making a rare exception in not closing this asap.

This is a suggestion outside of the suggestions forum - and at that, it is a suggestion about a faction which was designed in coordination with Military Advisors.

However, since this is a rather healthy discussion so far, I'm leaving it open until the Devs (I'll count you as one for this purpose, Rudd ) deem everything said.

[Tim270]

Hi 9001 and welcome to the forums!

It is quite probable our IDF faction is a little out of date due to our advisors from the IDF being retired and that the faction was released a fair bit of time ago.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, this is something we can discuss internally to see what needs/can be done about it.

[Arnoldio]

PR is future conflict, except Flaklands, Normandy and Vietnam ofcourse.

So, no need to be mad ad things that arent "realistic" in the first place.

[9001]

Here are a few pictures I randomly found in my album of Negevs. No scopes.

[SShadowFox]

A sharpshooter that was in your squad(or section, platoon, don't matter at this point) put a Trij on a MAG with rail and your sergeant punished him? He is crazy. IIRC, if a soldier can get any attachment that is compatible with his weapon he can put it.

[BroCop]

I am pretty much sure that the only reason why the Negev comes with a ACOG is because its supposed to mirror the other conventional factions in the mod.

[MADsqirrel]

I think that most armys dont allow non offical attachments like scopes, Handgrips, laser and so on. Hell in the German Army i am sometimes not allowed to wear my self purchased boots if my captain doesnt like them.

But if youre at war i guess nobody would say anything about adding stuff to your weapons.
Our guys in afghanistan are allowed to do whatever they want with their rifle, they can even paint it!

Point is Israel isnt at war atm but in PR they are, so its a bit different then rl.

[Hotrod525]

LOLOL, not quite. The problem is when the Lieutenant Colonel of the battalion looks at your gun and says, "What the fuck is on your weapon?!"

Lol, reminds me when i had put an KAC M5 Rails on my C7A2 and my Squadron Sergeant Major walk by, atleast twice before he realise that i had "modify" my weapon, so he gently told me to remove it =) was such a nice moment.

A sharpshooter that was in your squad(or section, platoon, don't matter at this point) put a Trij on a MAG with rail and your sergeant punished him? He is crazy. IIRC, if a soldier can get any attachment that is compatible with his weapon he can put it.

Thats not the way Canadian Army seen the thing either you know, modifying a service weapon is almost consider like war-crime here xD

[FrostZeroOne]

" (using the LMG purely for suppression). " .... heh, PR is Faaar from that friend.. every end of skirmish round u see guys with 50-0 u know they are AR's.

[Arnoldio]

FrostZeroOne, let me tell you something. Supression is a state of mind. If you have the guts to stay up under AR fire, be my guest. AR, and practically every weapon gets kills from stupid people who think they are tough because this is a game. ARs are good, people are stupid, so your comment isnt really something.

[Doc.Pock]

I agree arnoldio ar are afromidable weapon against ppl who dont keep low.
Its funny how that comes from an AR whore

[LITOralis.nMd]

I just wanted to thank 9001 for the interesting thread discussion.

9001, keep in mind that the IDF voice overs came from a mod that folded into a mod that folded into the PR mod. And much of the rest of the IDF faction came from guys who were already out of the service a few years before they finished this faction several years ago. Time goes on.

[FrostZeroOne]

FrostZeroOne, let me tell you something. Supression is a state of mind. If you have the guts to stay up under AR fire, be my guest. AR, and practically every weapon gets kills from stupid people who think they are tough because this is a game. ARs are good, people are stupid, so your comment isnt really something.

i agree, i just thought i'd point out the guys who play rambo and go with Iron-sight AR's into rooms and stuff... but u are 100% right about the people..in-fact i dont think there is a person who didnt popped up under machine-gun fire...we all do that mistake...as u said just because it a game and u can respawn..

[Arnoldio]

I think its completely reasonable to go CQB with ARs that are manageable. I dont go CQB with MG3 ( I use ironsights on all weapons 90% of the time), but with M249, i go in with the squad and i believe M249, especially PARA, is quite manageable in cqb. Its heavier than an AR15 and fires the same bullet, only on full auto, so there is no change. MG3 has a much bigger round, therefore the recoil is greater aswell, making it hard to us in CQB because you use undeployed mode anyway.

[Spush]

Is zzez still around? Would like to see his insight on this if possible.