3-Round Burst is pointless.

[maniac1031]

MEC vs US if we take out all assets the US have no chance against the MEC their guns hurt u a lot and with the full auto it is the best . US vs insurgents the AKs own the town .

G3 Full auto is **** the round it fires is to big to be in any fully auto RIFLE not to mention its clip only holds 20 rounds and you get 2 less mags. I'm going to land more hits on you faster with a semi auto m16 than you will on me with your full auto g3
Plz
M21>Anything Mec can throw at it
M249>mg3
US snipers>Shitty mec snipers that never hit what your aiming at.
At4> mec lat (RPG26)?
M16 3 Round Burst > G3 Full Auto

How is IDF vs Hamas the only fair fight in terms of guns?

Germans VS Russia
British VS Militia
Russia VS Militia
British VS PLA
list goes on

[Predator.v2]

M21>Anything Mec can throw at it
M249>mg3
US snipers>Shitty mec snipers that never hit what your aiming at.
At4> mec lat (RPG26)?
M16 3 Round Burst > G3 Full Auto

Definitly won't sign the lmg quote. MG3 is ridiculously powerful, firing 7.62 rounds with about the same recoil and deviation as the m249.

G3 fullauto lacks precision due to its high recoil, but it will own a M16/M4 at CQB under 5-8 m. On the other side everything further away than 20-40m the G3 will totally dominate every M16 on single shot.

M21 and G3SG1 share the same deviation and are bot two hit kills (with the M21 having slightly more damage). Maybe you can discuss about zoom factor, but at least the G3SG1 has fullauto and can perform very well in CQB with a 4x zoom scope.

US/MEC snipers are almost the same. Just different model and two zoom for the M24/M40 but both have the same deviation (accuracy) and projectile (damage). If anyone says something else it is pure imagination.

Not entirely sure about the MEC Lat. Most RPGs do indeed have a worse accuracy (modzoom deviation modifier 0.2 instead of 0.1), will check if this applies to the RPG-26 (or the MEC Lat).

[BMF-cetniksoldier]

For quite a long time, since automatic weapons were introduced to the battlefield, the ability to fire more rounds at the enemy meant a greater chance of killing the target. Compared to a bolt-action, the introduction of the semi-automatic was groundbreaking. And once they began introducing fully-automatic weapons such as the BAR, they found that massive volumes of fire from a non-CSW was fairly effective. That's why during WWII on most weapons that the infantryman had available came in an automatic variant. The BAR, M2 Carbine, M14, etc were all specialized weapons issued to certain soldiers, not every man on a squad.

Hmmm, I wish i can find the reference but I remember reading a history source that more soldiers died from rifle shots in ww1 (bolt-action) vs ww2 (auto/semi auto)..

[Portable.Cougar]

The thousands of dead body's piled up around my m16 says 3 round burst works just fine.

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[maniac1031]

M21 and G3SG1 share the same deviation and are bot two hit kills (with the M21 having slightly more damage). Maybe you can discuss about zoom factor, but at least the G3SG1 has fullauto and can perform very well in CQB with a 4x zoom scope.

US/MEC snipers are almost the same. Just different model and two zoom for the M24/M40 but both have the same deviation (accuracy) and projectile (damage). If anyone says something else it is pure imagination.

M21 is fine in cqb and the scope for the G3SG1 is horrible as it takes up the whole screen

The Mec sniper is very glitchey and doesn't seem to register shots well many others have said this and if you want proof go to 2:25 Shit like this happens to me regularly using this gun.
Ralfi's Alley- Sniper Montage 0.96 - YouTube

[ShockUnitBlack]

Don't really see the point of this thread thing as three-round burst, like it or not, isn't going away.

The G3SG1 is inferior to the M21 despite its full auto thing as full auto with a massive 6x scope is incredibly difficult to control undeployed and little better than semi. The 4x scope is also large, unlike the M21's (which also happens to have variable zoom levels).

Also - the MG3 and SAW are approximately equal, especially if you can control the MG3's recoil (which is hardly impossible)
The G3 is also superior to the M16/M4 at range.

IMO the UK has the worst small arms and the Militia has the best ones (exception being the scoped SAW).

[BroCop]

IMO the UK has the worst small arms and the Militia has the best ones (exception being the scoped SAW).

Got anything to back this opinion? Where im standing at thats simply not true.

[ShockUnitBlack]

For the British, they have the L86A2, which is hands-down the worst marksman rifle in the game, the L85A2 is a meh weapon at best, and they don't have reflex sights.

For the Militia, the AK-47 is pure win, the SVD is a decent (if not spectacular) marksman rifle, the Officer has the Skorpion (which outclasses all other side-arms), and the RPG-7 is a superior LAT/HAT than most others in the urban/woodland fighting that characterizes Militia maps. The SKS is also perfectly useful outside of CQB.

[Souls Of Mischief]

For the British, they have the L86A2, which is hands-down the worst marksman rifle in the game, the L85A2 is a meh weapon at best, and they don't have reflex sights.

For the Militia, the AK-47 is pure win, the SVD is a decent (if not spectacular) marksman rifle, the Officer has the Skorpion (which outclasses all other side-arms), and the RPG-7 is a superior LAT/HAT than most others in the urban/woodland fighting that characterizes Militia maps. The SKS is also perfectly useful outside of CQB.

Why would RPG-7 be superior in urban/woodland combat when compared to other ANTI-TANK weapons? Plus, RPG-7 does slightly less damage than other LAT's (it might only apply to the RPG's used by insurgents/Taliban and not Militia, though). The only real advantage it has is the number of warheads at your disposal.

[BroCop]

For the British, they have the L86A2, which is hands-down the worst marksman rifle in the game, the L85A2 is a meh weapon at best, and they don't have reflex sights.

For the Militia, the AK-47 is pure win, the SVD is a decent (if not spectacular) marksman rifle, the Officer has the Skorpion (which outclasses all other side-arms), and the RPG-7 is a superior LAT/HAT than most others in the urban/woodland fighting that characterizes Militia maps. The SKS is also perfectly useful outside of CQB.

So you are basing your assessment purely on your personal opinion. I get it.

[ShockUnitBlack]

Okay - how wouldn't you base it on personal opinion?

The L86A2 has low damage, low magnification, and a low rate-of-fire in comparison with weapons like the M21 or M4A1.
The L85A2 has average damage and an average rate-of-fire (outperformed by the AK-47 and CTAR).

The AK-47 has damage equal to the G3 with minimal recoil and a thirty-round magazine.
The RPG-7 is extremely useful as an anti-personnel weapon.
The M60 is absolutely fine in most situations you're likely to be in as the Militia.

IMO -

The AK-47 is the best assault rifle.
The M21 is the best marksman rifle (though the M4A1 is great on CQB maps like Gaza)
The MG3, RPK, and Minimi are all approximately equally good machineguns.
The Skorpion is the best pistol.
The AT4 and RPG-7 are about equal as LATs (the RPG-7 is better as an anti-personnel weapon though).
Sniper rifles are pretty much all the same, though the L115A3 is the best by a very small margin.

[Souls Of Mischief]

Okay - how wouldn't you base it on personal opinion?

The L86A2 has low damage, low magnification, and a low rate-of-fire in comparison with weapons like the M21 or M4A1.
The L85A2 has average damage and an average rate-of-fire (outperformed by the AK-47 and CTAR).

The AK-47 has damage equal to the G3 with minimal recoil and a thirty-round magazine.
The RPG-7 is extremely useful as an anti-personnel weapon.
The M60 is absolutely fine in most situations you're likely to be in as the Militia.

IMO -

The AK-47 is the best assault rifle.
The M21 is the best marksman rifle (though the M4A1 is great on CQB maps like Gaza)
The MG3, RPK, and Minimi are all approximately equally good machineguns.
The Skorpion is the best pistol.
The AT4 and RPG-7 are about equal as LATs (the RPG-7 is better as an anti-personnel weapon though).
Sniper rifles are pretty much all the same, though the L115A3 is the best by a very small margin.

WUUUUUT? I'm pretty sure they deal the same damage to infantry and the kill/damage radius is the same.

The Scorpion falls under the machine-pistol category, IMO.

[BroCop]

Okay - how wouldn't you base it on personal opinion?

By providing actual data. Or in other words, stats. You see where I come from, I was taught that balance arguments actually need to contain proof to support your claim.

I actually wrote a relatively big post pointing out the flaws in that post of yours but then I realized that I should just tell you to do some fact checking before making statements.

But then again you cant really expect people to do their homework beforehand, nor afterwards for that matter.

[ShockUnitBlack]

I actually wrote a relatively big post pointing out the flaws in that post of yours but then I realized that I should just tell you to do some fact checking before making statements.

But then again you cant really expect people to do their homework beforehand, nor afterwards for that matter.

So you're basic refuting my opinion based on... The fact it's my opinion? You haven't actually supplied any evidence of your own as far as I can see despite the fact you're accusing me of not doing so.

@ Souls - The Skorpion is a machinepistol, yes, but it's used as a pistol by the Militia Officer, and the RPG-7 has two rockets for use against personnel as opposed to the one supplied by the AT4.

Now -

The AK-47 is the best assault rifle because it does 50 damage as opposed to the 36 done by 5.56mm weapons. Its rate-of-fire is high enough to be useful while not draining magazines too quickly.

The M21 is the best marksman rifle (though the M4A1 is great on CQB maps like Gaza) because it has variable zoom levels (including, when deployed, a very high level of magnification), high damage, and a small scope. The M4A1 outperfoms it in CQB but lacks the magnification and damage to make it useful on a map like Kashan.

The MG3, RPK, and Minimi are all approximately equally good machineguns. The MG3 has high damage and a high rate of fire and has, I believe, the highest DPS of any small arm. The RPK is an excellent all-purpose weapon. The Minimi is excellent in CQB.

The Skorpion is the best pistol. Don't see how this can be argued with.

Sniper rifles are pretty much all the same, though the L115A3 is the best by a very small margin due to it having the highest damage-per-shot of the sniper rifles and having variable zoom (I forget if the C14 has variable zoom levels).

[BroCop]

Ill respond to the 2 relative points of the discussion (remember this discussion started with your statement on how the UK suck and how the Militia are supposedly OP).

@ Souls - The Skorpion is a machinepistol, yes, but it's used as a pistol by the Militia Officer, and the RPG-7 has two rockets for use against personnel as opposed to the one supplied by the AT4.

The AK-47 is the best assault rifle because it does 50 damage as opposed to the 36 done by 5.56mm weapons. Its rate-of-fire is high enough to be useful while not draining magazines too quickly.

Ammo count doesnt provide any relevance to the effectiveness of its AI capabilities. Just because you are able to get 2 shots does not in any circumstance suddenly make infantry squads mysteriously drop dead. The RPG-7 and the AT4 are equally effective versus infantry and thats it.

AK47 may do the most damage, however you are completely ignoring other factors such as recoil. AK-47 recoils more than its 5.56/5.45 counterparts. Will have to verify if the deviation is also different and the rate of fire.


Also do make note: You are the one trying to make a statement here and I am asking you to back up your "facts". This aint a bloody debate about the existence of God.

[ShockUnitBlack]

(remember this discussion started with your statement on how the UK suck and how the Militia are supposedly OP).

I did not say that.

Just because you are able to get 2 shots does not in any circumstance suddenly make infantry squads mysteriously drop dead.

I do not understand your logic. I will agree that, on a per-shot basis, the AT4 is as good as the RPG-7 when used against infantry but having multiple shots is self-evidently better than having one. By your logic a musket is as good as weapon as a MG42.

[maniac1031]

The AK-47 has damage equal to the G3 with minimal recoil and a thirty-round magazine.

Should be false seeing as the g3 should have more stopping power than the ak

I have to agree though the British assault rifle seems a bit wonkey I personally like it but it seems to have to much recoil for a 5.56 weapon it feels like im firing a 7.62 when i use that.

[ComradeHX]

Why would RPG-7 be superior in urban/woodland combat when compared to other ANTI-TANK weapons? Plus, RPG-7 does slightly less damage than other LAT's (it might only apply to the RPG's used by insurgents/Taliban and not Militia, though). The only real advantage it has is the number of warheads at your disposal.

It is obvious that RPG-7 has more rounds and thus more ability to kill more things.

Also, RPG-7 as HAT is more flexible than others(because you can still move at decent pace while aiming in addition to low ready time).

Ammo count doesnt provide any relevance to the effectiveness of its AI capabilities. Just because you are able to get 2 shots does not in any circumstance suddenly make infantry squads mysteriously drop dead. The RPG-7 and the AT4 are equally effective versus infantry and thats it.

AK47 may do the most damage, however you are completely ignoring other factors such as recoil. AK-47 recoils more than its 5.56/5.45 counterparts. Will have to verify if the deviation is also different and the rate of fire.

Ammo count does not make infantry squads mysteriously drop dead.

It makes more than 0-1 person drop dead because you can fire again if missed; or fire a second shot while someone is alive(despite not as bad as vBF2, it still happens that sometimes infantry does not die in LAT explosive radius) but under suppression effect.

AK47 recoil is pretty much irrelevant in cqb; which is where it rapes just about anything else.
It has lower minimum deviation...etc. to compensate(so it does not become 100% better than AK-74).

[chrisweb89]

Lol tandem as a better HAT. Good one. Other than its very slitch close range advantages, it is shit compared to everything else. Can you kill a tank moving perpendicular to you at 800m consistently? The Guided, and even non guided(chinese) Hats are just so much more versatile at all ranges that from a gameplay perspective, they beat the tandem. But that isn't for this thread, I just had to post after reading that.

[ComradeHX]

The Guided, and even non guided(chinese) Hats are just so much more versatile at all ranges that from a gameplay perspective, they beat the tandem. But that isn't for this thread, I just had to post after reading that.

Chinese HAT non-guided. Good one.