PRTA EU{1,2} - [CLOSED]

[Mouthpiece]

What's the point of the rule if no one even commands?

We can all join this and contribute somehow. What's the point of discussing the rule if noone even commands?

Oh, and I love how people misuse word "elitist" - never seen them playing on PRTA or trying to solve the so called "problem" by making a thread in PRTA web - just throwing out opinion in public forums. It doesn't do any good. But I understand it - it's quite human.
But the funniest thing is that they're the ones being elitist - they can't even level themselves just to have a nice, friendly talk or make a thread about a problem that they think is there. Instead they're just playing the childish "you suck" game. Shit, we're a small community - people have the power to change things here more than think.

[saXoni]

There aren't enough commanders on PRTA. Instead of encouraging people to take the seat as commander they make a rule that gives the server even less commanders, and that's definitely not going to increase the numbers. You're stupid if you don't understand that that's a shit rule.

[Mouthpiece]

Eh, kids. I love the way how mature you are when discussing things. Like, by assuming that just because I'm posting a comment I'm voicing my opinion about the concrete rule. I certainly did not. But If you really want to hear my opinion, I can tell you.

As I've never seen anyone except the admins commanding in PRTA before, I don't really care about the rule. And I don't think that any PRTA admin would resing a non-PRTA admin commander if he was doing his job right. The idea behind the rule mainly isn't "we don't let random people command us", but "random people almost never command so they shouldn't take the commanders spot just to enjoy themselves by using UAV and masterbating". But I want to make sure that you understood the thing that there wouldn't be no resigning/kicking IF the commander (non-PRTA member) would actually command? Although this argument isn't demonstrative as this never happens in real world (e.g., a total stranger starts to command his team and does a really good job). So, yeah, we can debate all we want but this rule factually doesn't change ANYTHING.

[Jevski]

So, yeah, we can debate all we want but this rule factually doesn't change ANYTHING.

Then why make it?

[saXoni]

Eh, kids. I love the way how mature you are when discussing things. Like, by assuming that just because I'm posting a comment I'm voicing my opinion about the concrete rule. I certainly did not. But If you really want to hear my opinion, I can tell you.

-Snip-

My post wasn't even intended for you. If it was I would've quoted you, but I didn't. I also like your maturity by starting your post with "Eh, kids".

You already have a rule against not playing for the team (lonewolfing etc.), and a commander not doing his job right isn't playing for the team and should therefore be resigned/kicked. You're saying that admins won't kick commanders that aren't admins if they're doing their job right; you should at least follow through your rules when you've set them.

The rule doesn't change anything? Yes it does. It prevents a person without admin-rights to command a side on your server, and it doesn't matter how seldom it happens - it's a matter of principles. Way to include the community.

[Wicca]

Sax. Go commander, everytime you play on PRTA. And I will change the rule. If you stop commanding. Ill put it back in.

[saXoni]

Uh, no?

[Wicca]

Well, who can command then? We have made it possible for random people to command for 2 years. Neve have anyone stepped up. And when they do, they cant speak. Or they use it for UAV/Area attack.

Not to mention, the problems and frustration they get when they tell people what to do, but due to their lack of power cant force people to do anything. Like a squadleader who cant kick anyone out of his squad.

This is why we wanted to give the responsibility to the admins, to make sure that someone is organizing the game, and they have the power to back up their orders.

[BloodyDeed]

Thats a weird request Wicca.
You ask saxoni to >break< the rule so you can remove it again?
So it's fine baseraping and you might think about removing that as well?

Seriously, I don't like the rule as all.
Even if there aren't that many dedicated commanders out there, there are quite a few players (including myself) who very rarely think about commanding for a game.
Now there is a rule preventing that.

[Wicca]

Noone commands. And those that do, are admins. IE, Commanding means people who actually coordinate the team. Being the CO is not a very popular position. And telling other squads what to do is more commonly done by admins on the server.

[saXoni]

Who will command? I don't know, but when someone wants to take the job of seriously commanding one of the teams on PRTA he should be damn welcome to do so.

If an admin sees a commander not doing his job properly, or doing his properly but not getting the squad leaders to follow his orders he's there to make sure either part gets removed - this is a good thing. Due to the lack of commanders PRTA has decided not to let anyone else but their admins command, but if someone breaks that rule and does a good job at it it's fine - this is not a good rule, nor a good way of handling it.

Your admins already have the responsibility to take care of the server by warn, kick and/or ban, and they don't need to be in command of a team to do so. As I've already stated; PRTA want commanders more frequently, and by trying to accomplish that they won't let anyone but their admins command. Can you seriously not see there's something wrong Wicca?

[sweedensniiperr]

the rule makes it so that the admins will have to do less work. instead of helping(kick,resign,warn etc) a commander who's not an admin, which takes more work, the admin(s) can instead command for themselves and warn/kick with less work.

[saXoni]

If the admins are doing too much of an effort and feel swamped they should consider recruiting more admins. Seriously, an admin's job is to help other players and their stay by warning, resigning, kicking and banning. If they're not capable of that they shouldn't be admins.

[Psyko]

If the admins are doing too much of an effort and feel swamped they should consider recruiting more admins. Seriously, an admin's job is to help other players and their stay by warning, resigning, kicking and banning. If they're not capable of that they shouldn't be admins.

Didnt work during the summer before we culled the admin list.

[Wicca]

Seriously, an admin's job is to help other players and their stay by warning, resigning, kicking and banning. If they're not capable of that they shouldn't be admins.

Thats your oppinion, as the owner of the server I have a different view. Server admins should be responsible of keeping the gameplay as great as possible. Helping new players/nonmumble users or squadleaders play how they feel PR properly, with communication and coordination. Not just do the players bidding, but dictate the gameplay and ensure its great.

I really want the community to create a atmosphere where they expect the best from the admins, but people are really not willing to spend time critizcising. I really appreciate any complaint we receive on PRTA; as it gives us a better idea of where the community is at, and how we can make things work better.

If the admins are doing too much of an effort and feel swamped they should consider recruiting more admins.

Sax, I remember you being in the admin team if i do not remember incorrectly. I must have removed during the summer clean up.

I can put you back in? If you want to, we could use the help!

[saXoni]

Wicca;1829777']Thats your oppinion, as the owner of the server I have a different view.

Are you sure about that?

Server admins should be responsible of keeping the gameplay as great as possible.

You do this by communicating with the players, and warn, resign, kick and/or ban if necessary.

Helping new players/nonmumble users or squadleaders play how they feel PR properly, with communication and coordination.

If the're not willing to join Mumble, play PR properly, communicate or coordinate you get rid of them by warning, resigning, kicking and/or banning.

I really want the community to create a atmosphere where they expect the best from the admins

How are you supposed that community if you don't even expect your admins to be able to take care of players disrupting the gameplay?

I really appreciate any complaint we receive on PRTA; as it gives us a better idea of where the community is at, and how we can make things work better.

Good.

Sax, I remember you being in the admin team if i do not remember incorrectly. I must have removed during the summer clean up.

I can put you back in? If you want to, we could use the help!

If you expect me to seed the servers, attend to meetings and be on Xfire-chat during my stay at the server - no. If you just want an extra admin that can take care of people disrupting gameplay while he's staying at the server - sure.

[Wicca]

If you feel certain players are disrupting the gameplay but noone is dealing with it, go here: Report a player | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance

And follow the template.

We dont have alot of meetings, usually that happends if there is a major change, or issue that needs to be resolved and is organized by any admin who wants to organize it. Seeding the server is an admin activity, doing it afk or playing is very much up to you. However there is no massive witch hunt for people who doesnt seed, but it is generally considerd rude if you dont. Still real life comes first.

Xfire is required, as Admins need to coordinate and deal with issues on both sides, using the xfire chat room as a tool is an effective way of having a passive communication form that you can check when you wish. It is after a vote by the admin team, clearly obligatory. Any admin that does not use it, usually is voted out of the admin team.

If you still wish to join knowing this, I can add you after a vote on our private forum.

[saXoni]

Wicca;1829788']If you feel certain players are disrupting the gameplay but noone is dealing with it, go here: Report a player | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance

And follow the template.

I'm going to assume this is for everyone as I haven't said your server is being disrupted by certain players.

We dont have alot of meetings, usually that happends if there is a major change, or issue that needs to be resolved and is organized by any admin who wants to organize it. Seeding the server is an admin activity, doing it afk or playing is very much up to you. However there is no massive witch hunt for people who doesnt seed, but it is generally considerd rude if you dont. Still real life comes first.

Xfire is required, as Admins need to coordinate and deal with issues on both sides, using the xfire chat room as a tool is an effective way of having a passive communication form that you can check when you wish. It is after a vote by the admin team, clearly obligatory. Any admin that does not use it, usually is voted out of the admin team.

This is enough for me to turn down your offer.

[Wicca]

I'm going to assume this is for everyone as I haven't said your server is being disrupted by certain players.

Whut? all players disrupt the gameplay?

[saXoni]

No... Disrupting players isn't relevant to this discussion, thus I assume what you wrote was meant for everyone and not just me.