blackhawk physics

[zombie-yellow]

Indeed

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*Close Blackhawk Support*

[Stemplus]

Why not put nukes into the game? Finnaly, most BluFor armies have them

[Stemplus]

idk what about you guys but even if you say its modefied ( or how ever you write it like ... ) i really think a new blackhawk will be good to the game , now i wanted to start modeling but i have problems with my BF2 editor and i cant like it to the game so it will be nice of someone model it , i think that the bw control is almost the same as the famous merlin that btw u should bring back to the game + make fastroping for the huey , chinook and BH ( pilot switch between droping crates / rope like in a logi u switch from repair station to crates and droping with rght click and that means that who ever press e will go to the rope and slide down ( no no u cant drop from 100 cause the the rope is short , like 4/3 times from the specailist rope

Well, you don't use the BF2 Editor to make models anyway... And no, the flying mechanics are not even close to the merlin ones. LOL fastropes. Don't you get why people are always joking about fastropes when people suggest wierd stuff? It is just impossible. It's not CryEngine 3, it's goddamn 10 years old Refractor 2 engine.

[SShadowFox]

About the Merlin \/

IIRC, the Merlin was remove because of a bug with the ramp, are there any plans to correct that bug and bring it back?

thats not the only problem, it has a hyper complex colmesh which is what contributes to its occasional incredible lag.

So there's no chance?

always a chance, but changing meshes like that is a specialised skillset, not something that's super simple afaik.

Also theres the gain vs effort dynamic, the Brits already have 2 choppers, chinook and lynx. As much as I LOVE the Merlin (see my sig) what's the gain really? Unless one of the community factions can use it ofc, there's not a huge amount of scope for it.

At the same time it would kinda need some love to the inside of the chopper, it's showing its age with the texture and model on the inside.

About the Merlin /\

[Rudd]

I sensed a disturbance in the force....

the Merlin was removed for various reasons

primarily it still had lag, this is caused by a incredibly complicated collision mesh in the pilot seat that the server cannot handle

also its interior is not of a aesthetic quality we expect in our assets today

also its door would need recoding to work like the chinook

so basically, alot of work for a chopper (WHICH I LOVE, see my sig) that isn't needed since the GB have 2 choppers already.

Now, back to the Blackhawk guys.

just no more fastrope suggestions

[Stemplus]

Yes, you can land the blackhawk normaly. And why do you want a chopper that weights over 11 tons to fly like a chopper that weights 8? It's a different chopper, it has different aerodynamics, different center of mass, different blades, different size, different weight etc.

[Hunt3r]

i seriesly think that blackhwak should fly and act like the apache because its not gonna work like this when you cant land normaly and thats annoying as hell

I seriously think that you should stop complaining because only a poor craftsman blames his tools.

The Blackhawk is a great helo to fly, landing just requires some actual knowledge of how to fly a real helo (ie flare and land softly)

[ExNusquam]

You completely missed his point. The Blackhawk should not fly like an attack helo, because, well it's not an attack helo. One's an agile weapons platform, the other is a glorified truck. I have very minimal experience flying helos in PR, but if I was to load up a local server, I could probably stick the BH anywhere you need it, and not crash it. Flying the BH requires you to think ahead when you fly it, like the real thing, so you can bleed your speed and flare it over your landing site, like in real life.

[risegold8929]

Have you ever tried to adapt to the physics of the Blackhawk and stop trying to fly it like all of the other helicopters? I can land & fly it perfectly fine in PR.

[Hunt3r]

bro i am this game for about 3 years 2 of them r trans helis flying and the last year is also jets and attack helis (and little bit kiowas ) now i pretty sure that in flying ( i dont know about other things ) i have more Experience then you do i can land every chopper / jet / other asset in this game so what am i saying (or at least trying) is to make some choppers freindly users now i would talk about the tiger but if you really know how to fly cas (attack helicopters ) then his landing not gonna be a problem (atleast for me ) but the black hawk that you see him in all of the the project reality maps , need to be fixed so a guy that praticed the whole week about flying trans , will have a chance to land it safly in kokan or kashan (well kashan is actually easy) so dont say any thing if you havent readed all of the thread

First of all, stop being condescending by starting a sentence off with "bro", because it isn't helping your argument. At all.

Secondly, I don't care about attack helos. Yes, they land at a steeper angle. No, it doesn't matter because that's not a game-breaking bug, in fact it might as well be reality because the BH doesn't naturally nose up when on the ground, it lands flat. Stop mashing the helo into the ground when you land and you won't have a problem. Flare before you land and then level out for the touchdown. It's not hard, and it's perfectly realistic.

[Stemplus]

bro i am this game for about 3 years 2 of them r trans helis flying and the last year is also jets and attack helis (and little bit kiowas ) now i pretty sure that in flying ( i dont know about other things ) i have more Experience then you do i can land every chopper / jet / other asset in this game so what am i saying (or at least trying) is to make some choppers freindly users now i would talk about the tiger but if you really know how to fly cas (attack helicopters ) then his landing not gonna be a problem (atleast for me ) but the black hawk that you see him in all of the the project reality maps , need to be fixed so a guy that praticed the whole week about flying trans , will have a chance to land it safly in kokan or kashan (well kashan is actually easy) so dont say any thing if you havent readed all of the thread

You are this game? Damn Serious mode activated. How can you tell that you are better and more experienced than him? You have never played with him so you can't. And don't say you can land every air asset ingame because you definately can't land a tornado, but that is another thing. Secondly, if someone is practicing flying for 1 week then he definately won't know how to fly choppers well. And if he somehow will, he won't have any problems with the blackhawk.

You may be wondering why all your suggestions are turning into arguments and after time get locked. That is because you are not discusing, you are arguing. You also don't give any references or videos so you can prove you're right. I still don't think that the BH is a problem, I've seen bilions more crashes of a cow or a huey than a Blackhawk.

[SShadowFox]

Every helicopter with wheels are easy to land, it'll be even more in 1.0 as the helicopters' wheels will get moving meshes (is this the name?)

[ExeTick]

Crazy there is nothing wrong with that blackhawk, just you that cannot understand the flying mechanics for it.

like stemplus said and I agree with stemplus, blackhawk and apache is 2 completely different helicopters so you cannot compare them with each other because they have completely different flying mechanics and aerodynamics.

you want all chinooks to fly like a kiowa aswell?
seems that its only you who have problems with blackhawks in PR crazy. maybe you should watch some youtube videos and have a look how they land with blackhawks so this thread will be forgoten.

or even better go and join Israeli airforce and try to fly those blackhawks.

[ExeTick]

you gonna have to make a new model for BH cause u cant even land on the front wheels

you land on backwheel first then let the front wheels come down.
UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopter Landing At Wayland Expo 10/01/2011 - YouTube
Black Hawk landing - YouTube

[Hunt3r]

you land on backwheel first then let the front wheels come down.
UH-60M Black Hawk Helicopter Landing At Wayland Expo 10/01/2011 - YouTube
Black Hawk landing - YouTube

This seems rather counter-intuitive, the rear wheel is usually weaker, somewhat like landing nose-wheel first in a jet...

[ExeTick]

well they dont give that backwheel so much pressure. they touch down on that backwheel first then almost at the same time those 2 front wheels are down aswell.

I seen far worse landings with blackhawks on AC/DC thunderstruck where the pilot bounce on that backwheel.
look at 3.21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Evu8L2pF7w that should be huge amount of pressure on that backwheel but it can take it.