General Feedback and Balance Discussion

[sweedensniiperr]

imo the mg42 is absotely rape. i think it needs be a team limited kit sort of the sniper. maybe not 2, but when every squad has one (+mp40!!) and US has nothing compared to that...it gets really annoying when you do everything right and a mg42 just rapes everything in CQB.

[Rhino]

imo the mg42 is absotely rape. i think it needs be a team limited kit sort of the sniper. maybe not 2, but when every squad has one (+mp40!!) and US has nothing compared to that...it gets really annoying when you do everything right and a mg42 just rapes everything in CQB.

Well the mg42 is technically a GPMG like the FN MAN and not a LMG like the Bren / M249 so in the future, it will go into the "Machine Gunner" kit rather than the AR kit it is now would be my guess, which is more limited than the AR but I'm not 100% clued up onto what PR:N plans, this is just what I'm guessing from what we are planning in normal PR

Not sure what the Germans would use for their LMG however...

[Pvt.LHeureux]

Haha I agree that the 42 needs to be nerfed, maybe it's accuracy. But we want to give the U.S. a .30 that they can deploy.

[AfterDune]

The whole deal is still kinda balanced though, considering the Germans mostly have bolt action rifles where the US gets Garands and Carbines, which have faster firing rate. In close quarters, the K98 (in PR anyway) is not really what you want to use. But for longer distance shots, it's a beast. The K98 also have powerful rounds, where the Garand rounds are a bit weaker.

The MG42 is indeed quite the monster. Very powerful weapon. Good support for the infantry guys carrying the K98.

The BAR doesn't stand a chance against the MG42, but as Rhino points out, the MG42 is a heavier thing, not really an LMG. Don't know what the Germans would use otherwise. Wiki mentions other MG variants though, but I'm not too familiar with it.

Perhaps TS has ideas?

[rodrigoma]

I agree with sweeden, Mg42 should be made in to GPMG and limited, and maybe the current secondary german MG made into the mg kit?

[Pvt.LHeureux]

Well MG-34 would be the logical choice but I don't think we have a model, unless we can use the BGF one?

[Rhino]

MG-34 is still a GPMG however?

[Pvt.LHeureux]

It's closer to a LMG than the MG42 and his not as good in overall, less bullets per mag for exemple and accuracy.

[Rhino]

Ye, if its the only option then sounds good, but isn't their anything better more like the BAR (I think) or Bren etc?

[Ts4EVER]

About the issue of squad firepower:
The German doctrine was that the MG was the main weapon of the rifle squad. It produces 90% of the squads firepower, so basically the riflemen were mostly there to carry extra ammo for the machine gunner and throw grenades at any infantry that came close to flanking it.
In contrast the US believed that every rifleman should contribute to the overall firepower, which is why they issued automatic rifles to everyone, but no real gpmg. However, note that every US infantry company had a heavy platoon with M1919 medium machine guns and 60mm mortars. These were regularly attached to the infantry squads to add to their fire power. Also, the US infantry squad had 12 members in 1944, compared to 9 on the German side (since the Germans were running out of men and didn't need that many on account of the mg42).

edit: about the German lmg. The only comparable weapon was the FG42 + captured allied or chzech weapons like the MG26(t) or the Polish BAR. These were used in big numbers by the troops guarding the atlantic wall.

[DavviZ]

A mg34 is still a gpmg and I don't know what difference there would be ingame between the 34 and 42 except the magazine size.
Maybe you should remove the undeployed mode from the 42 and Give it a longer settle time? Or that the mg kits (mg42 and M1919) Will be limited to both factions and give them a stg44 for the germans and a bar for US as a "AR"

[rodrigoma]

What is the current secondary German mg called again?

[Ts4EVER]

Personally I would try to go for unmirrored balance.

[DavviZ]

The fg42 was rare and only issued to fallschirmj?ger companies

[Ts4EVER]

Yes but it still was the only German produced weapon comparable to the BAR.

[AfterDune]

The alt MG for the Germans is the ZB vz 26. I think I read somewhere the Germans used that as well (perhaps Waffen SS only?). Though I'm unsure how common it was - especially if one would choose that for the LMG kit (really not sure about that).

[Pvt.LHeureux]

Well we have the MG26(t), but it needs some animation work (I'm working on it), but the thing is that, if we give the MG26 for the AR kit, which kit will have the MG42?

[sweedensniiperr]

maybe none? use it as the deployable?

if not, an accuracy nerf would be fine i guess, so it doesn't rape both in cqb AND long range.

[Ts4EVER]

As I said, just go for unmirrored balance, like FH2. In the big scheme of things these infantry weapons didn't matter anyway, especially on the western front, where allied infantry was bascally bodyguards for the forward observers 90% of the time

[Pvt.LHeureux]

Yeah I don't think the MG42 will be THAT good after nerf.

So nerf it's accuracy and increase settle deviation so it won't rape in CQB.