[Military]Tobruk bunker [WIP]

[Gracler]

I'm about to start modeling a bunker for Normandy The Tobruk Bunker as AD recommended. Atm im on a search for schematic and picture state and after 2 weeks time ill be having more time to start the real work on it, so don't expect updates just yet

Might end up with more than 1 variation since there appear to be different types of this.

The simple one looks like this.







Others appear to be part of a network of pillboxes.
Finished picture

[Rabbit]

This guy makes very accurate models of bunkers, could very well help you out if you watch the videos.

Products Atlantic wall serie 1/35, scale models World War II

[Rhino]

Cool, from the 2nd pic the static doesn't look too complicated and also it looks like for the most part you won't have a problem with textures since the "conc_tile_woodland.dds" (although you would just set the static to use "conc_tile.dds" encase it was used on an ME map) should fit nicely and you can just tile that in all directions:


Doesn't have a normal map or anything thou, is only a basic colour texture but still should do the job.

You should also note and follow this tut here: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f189-m ... cture.html

[AfterDune]

Yeah Rhino, just what I was thinking about textures .

Seems this is the most basic tobruk variant:

[Rabbit]

Also, don't forget to throw a panzer turret (7.5cm KwK l/24) on one of them

[Gracler]

Great thanks for all the help guys. I also think this is a task I should be capable of and a good start to get back into editing for bf2

I found this schematic that seems to be the one on a dutch website.



and this one that has a ramp that could make it easier for placement in the terrain perhaps

[Rabbit]

Rhino;1849454']Cool, from the 2nd pic the static doesn't look too complicated and also it looks like for the most part you won't have a problem with textures since the "conc_tile_woodland.dds" (although you would just set the static to use "conc_tile.dds" encase it was used on an ME map) should fit nicely and you can just tile that in all directions:

Question on that, I think I remember seeing a tut on bf2editor forums about using an existing texture from one object and applying it to another (I think it was over the walls used in fallujah) but I can't seem to find it, anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?

[Mineral]

this one?

[Rabbit]

this one?

That is the one I was thinking of, but i guess I thought it was over using an existing pallet from a different object. damn.

[Rhino]

That is the one I was thinking of, but i guess I thought it was over using an existing pallet from a different object. damn.

Are you talking about suffixed textures for different maps?

Like on Fallujah, the blockwall texture is normally this:


But on Fallujah it uses this from the _fw suffix.

[Rabbit]

Rhino;1854775']Are you talking about suffixed textures for different maps?

Like on Fallujah, the blockwall texture is normally this:


But on Fallujah it uses this from the _fw suffix.

Yes that's it I wanted to pull a texture off one object (cobble pattern off a building) and put it on to a wall type.

[lucky.BOY]

Gracler, how is this going?

[Gracler]

Its moving slowly forward. I've had some technical problems and I'm practicing to get it done right with the tutorials. First I was modeling with 3DS MAX 2013 then I remembered it was a bad idea, and got 3DS MAX 9 so I had to start over.

Don't worry I'm doing something every day but other things also has to be done so it isn't as fast as I hoped. I'm hoping for an update pretty soon though.

[AfterDune]

Spoil us with screenshots when you can .

[Gracler]

So here is the first screenshots of the basic Tobruk bunker (keeping it as simple as possible to begin with)





Im not sure how high a player character is so i'm a little unsure if i should place another ramp or a box to stand on so that the player is able to actually see anything but the sky from the bunker . The current height from the floor to the top is 1.6m which I recon is too High.

I have an issue with exporting. MAXScript Rollout Handler Exception: --Unknown property: "saveMaterial" in undefined
I using version poe2_0.30a and ive installed service pack 2 for 3dsmax9 and im running windows 7 64 bit. I think it might be a windows permission thing since I got bf2 installed on another drive than C where 3dsmax is installed.
Otherwise i would have been able to test it in bf2editor to see if the height is good.

Edit: I noticed the stairs going is not the same length gonna correct that.

[lucky.BOY]

I would advise against having Bf2 in a different than default instalation path, although no idea if your error is caused by this. What your error might mean is that you didnt apply any material or texture to your model. You could do a quick basic UV and then try again.
For testing things like if you can shoot out of somewhere or if you can fit somewhere you need to create cols, for this you need at least col2 (soldier mesh) and probably col0 too (decal mesh) for testing purposes you can just copy your main mesh and use it like those cols (rename, put proper material, and put them into hierarchy as descrobed in tutorial), but for final export you need to make them properly, eg. col2 needs ramps where those stairs are and at the entrance, too.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-p ... ost1763721

Here you get a some info on how big things should be, i would worry about soldier fitting into the lower part of the bunke. The visual mesh needs to be at least 1.3 m high if im not mistaken, and you have to make the col mesh 1.4 high in the same area for the soldier to be able to pass.

For the standing shooting height, You should go for the recommended shooting cover height, which is 1.32, so you put a box under the circle if you need.

Speaking of circle, you are really low on triangles now, so you can smooth that circle up.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f189-m ... nders.html

[KaB]

Don't forget to make them destructible under mortars hit.

[AfterDune]

I would advise against having Bf2 in a different than default instalation path

You should install BF2 wherever you please, that shouldn't cause any issues. I know mine certainly isn't in the default dir .

Don't forget to make them destructible under mortars hit.

If he wants to, sure. We could have different versions:

destroyable
non-destroyable
destroyed already

Though it depends on what the mapper wants for gameplay whether they'll be used or not.

[Arc_Shielder]

Weren't most Tobruk bunkers buried?

If yes, don't see how making it destroyable would add anything to gameplay. The gunner is sufficiently exposed to be taken out with small arms. There would also be an issue with the terrain not falling in once destroyed which would make it aesthetically awkward.

As a mapper I would never use this static in the bare open above ground as it would be contradictory to its purpose (although I have seen a few pics of them like that).

It's up to the modeller though.

Nice work so far. Would love to have that baby in my map.