Can PR stay a game ?

[Wadziu]

The removal of the kill counter is especially here to avoid us from getting an idea on how much tickets the ennemy has left.

And what is wrong in knowing if your team have better performance than enemy? There are too many diffrent ticket factors to make an accurate guess just by viewing enemies death count. And you don't have delete whole scoreboard for that, one last sumarazing row is enough.

And right now, I feel the only purpose of this feature is to show how big is your penis, nothing else.

Than you have clearly never played PR. Tell me how am I supposed to confirm kills of my squad without scoreboard. Am I supposed to wait 5 minues around every killed guy? Another thing, I am SL of a competitive clan regiment, how am I supposed to check my squad mates individual performance, it's a VERY important data to me. If you guys don't like to look on scoreboard because they make your penis bigger (or smaller) than just don't do this.

[KaB]

You're wrong !

Ok bro'. It seems you REALLY need to see your kills to be confirmed, and except saying that I still don't know why you REALLY want the kills count to stay...

My REAL points about it :

1) That mistery of the "did we kill them or not" brings some cool immersion on the game, nobody here is able to say if it's going to kill the game or not, as long as it wasn't tested yet.

2) Remember the enemy won't have confirmed kills as well. Think about it man, you could USE that feature, keeping some mistery on what you're really doing, feinting all your squad died after an enemy rush on your position etc.

[ExeTick]

Deviation is going to be changed in 1.0, why should ladder sliding be removed?

allot of servers dont allow basecamping. or even going to many flags ahead of sequence. AH-64 apache is already in game. well its the AH-64 longbow.

[[F|H]Zackyx]

Ok bro'. It seems you REALLY need to see your kills to be confirmed, and except saying that I still don't know why you REALLY want the kills count to stay...

My REAL points about it :

1) That mistery of the "did we kill them or not" brings some cool immersion on the game, nobody here is able to say if it's going to kill the game or not, as long as it wasn't tested yet.

2) Remember the enemy won't have confirmed kills as well. Think about it man, you could USE that feature, keeping some mistery on what you're really doing, feinting all your squad died after an enemy rush on your position etc.

!!!!

What can justify this mystery ??? are you serious you want to add mystery to PR ?

I thought the sugestion that people were doing was to make PR more realistic not a mystery game we want realistic features not some "lets test it to see how it perform even if not based on realistic features".

About Removing Scoreboard :

-Its binary question We keep the 5 minute "Dead dead" and revive capabilities and the scoreboard is mendatory for that or it will turn pr into comunisme were everybody work for the greater good with no personal goal and we all know how USSR ended.

-Or you give realistic Death and if i want to finish an enemy i put a bullet in is head and i have a Confirmed kill.

I realy feel like an uprising of casual gamers (No offense) want to take over PR and turn it into i don't know what

brings some cool immersion on the game, nobody here is able to say if it's going to kill the game or not, as long as it wasn't tested yet.

even them don't know it, its about some "cool" but we don't know it lets test it first.

In my opinion this is pure theory and informal fallacy wich can be dangerous for the game and idealistic stuff never work and we should not take that kind of bet.

[KaB]

Zackyx;1863084']I thought the sugestion that people were doing was to make PR more realistic not a mystery game we want realistic features not some "lets test it to see how it perform even if not based on realistic features".

Sure... Having a scoreboard with kills count is something very realistic that every soldiers have irl, that makes sense.

Oh and my personal goal is to win the round, not to have as much kills as possible. If you think teamwork is less necessary than kills, well I'm not sure you're doing what's good in order to win in PR.

Anyway, I don't think it would be such a big deal for the devs to disable kills count, at least for a test. But if more than 50% of the players might react this way then forget it, I don't ask for removal of kills count as much as some ask for it to stay.

[L4gi]

Kab please understand that you dont win rounds by not killing anyone.

[Professorson]

there's becoming far to many threads like this and they've all got to many words , can people start making their arguments in dot points ?

[KaB]

Kab please understand that you dont win rounds by not killing anyone.

Yes you can. It already happened to me.

[[F|H]Zackyx]

Yes you can. It already happened to me.

Priceless !

[KaB]

Zackyx;1863112']Priceless !

I guess you never heard of medic, civilian or even UAV... or even mortars (if you kept missing you targets you might have slowed down or made your enemy move away, or even take different ways they wanted which led them directly to a position which unallowed them to attack/defend anything).

But you even could have taken any other kit which could kill (AR, Rifleman ...) sometimes the enemy is so greedy and wants so much kills that they just don't notice quiet squads. And without shooting a bullet, you can get through their lines and capture many flags while they're so far from it.

Again ... Teamwork.

[Nugiman]

Removing the score board isn't a good idea.
In my opinion, the actual score system totally supports teamwork, as you get much more points with teamwork (building FOBs, reviving/healing, suppressing/assists, transport) that actually killing people.
Though many, many people play for their scores, I see a little problem here. The normal pubbers probably won't have the motivation to help building FOBs, as they might think "some one else can build it up, I dont get points for it anyway".
Anyway, we already have such a problem sometimes, as you see fail-rounds just always failing because the lack of FOBs.

The only solution for all this is that we just need more people that are brave enough to lead an infantry squad, doing a well job and looking for the squad to stay together and work for the team.
But without players, that don't just play for themselves, but for the team, neither the scoreboard or the removing of it makes any sense.

[L4gi]

Yes you can. It already happened to me.

Ok so your team won with 0 kills? Im guessing there were no enemies on the server...

You dont win by not killing anyone. Thats just how it is.

[KaB]

Ok so your team won with 0 kills?.

I was talking about myself. I just thought you could use your brain and understand that on your own, but it seems I was wrong, sorry for that.

[[F|H]Zackyx]

Kab please understand that you dont win rounds by not killing anyone.

He was speaking about ROUNDS not about individual performance. And you replied

Yes you can. It already happened to me.

Of course you can win without making kills yourself as a CAS pilot sometimes you dont make kill because your gunner steal all of them but killing is what bring enemy tickets down and cause them to loose. More kills = victory

[KaB]

Zackyx;1863125']More kills = victory

That's what my little brother told me when I was looking at him playing Black Opshit 2. I'm glad he's not the only tard on earth.

[AFsoccer]

Everyone take a deep breath and get back on topic please.

[Mikemonster]

This is why it's not worth discussing things, it's all about point scoring and misrepresentation/oversimplification of the others' argument - Not about an actual discussion.

[KaB]

One clear point is that for some reason, some people really like to show how much they are good at shooting enemies, and when they are on the top of the list, they feel like they're at a sort of higher level than the others. So as a result, if we take those kills count out, nobody will notice how good they are, and they'll feel sad about it. It's all about the ego, nothing else.

Personally, I think that PR is on of these rare games which allow players to feel strong as a team ! Not as a simple shooter. We already have a lot of games for that

[Tit4Tat]

One clear point is that for some reason, some people really like to show how much they are good at shooting enemies, and when they are on the top of the list, they feel like they're at a sort of higher level than the others. So as a result, if we take those kills count out, nobody will notice how good they are, and they'll feel sad about it. It's all about the ego, nothing else.

Personally, I think that PR is on of these rare games which allow players to feel strong as a team ! Not as a simple shooter. We already have a lot of games for that

I like your thinking KaB, + 1


seen this happen first hand on PRTA as they got some sort of bug that doesn't show peoples k/d, you always get people moaning (usual suspects) bout not being able to see the score board, im only assuming but lol i'll go as far as to think certain people/clans don't play on PRTA for that reason alone, but that would be foolish..... wouldn't it?


The ironic thing is if you remove kill count to benefit the game play, it will be really hard to spot hackers.

[Wadziu]

Sorry KaB, but after your responses I am really starting to think that you are just a troll, so I am ending discussion here, it makes absolutely no sense, cause you didn't even bother to make one specific point how it would improve gameplay, you completely ignore others responses, try to make a fool out of everyone else, make some funny stories about resurection backstabbing tactics and UAVS or civis winning rounds and number of kills bringing you to top of table, while kills alone gives you almost no points at all. You just made me sad even without scoreboard being removed.