What war is this mod based on?

[Wolfmaster]

Can't have any war WITHOUT germany

dunno, was germany in vietnam. don't think so. besides not all germans are beerdrinking fatbelly warnuts. my uncle's german. he's nice. has a good sense of humour.

[BrokenArrow]

still the germans would be great to put in, im for any sort of expansion as far as adding countries. some of them could make the war that takes place in bf2 more believeable. if israel is put in then it would sort of justify an MEC of egypt, iran, syria etc while not including nations like saudi arabia or kuwait who i dont think would try to fight the US because with all the oil they have its in their best interests not to fight americans. for china, adding north korea would make sense as far as throwing the chinese into the battle, think korea pt2, they try to invade the south and the UN pushes them back to the chinese border (again) and the chinese decide theyve had enough. even though i dont think the chinese are too friendly with north korea are they? they are both communist though which gives them something. the chinese could also attack into russai for siberian oil, bringing in russia, who could recieve help from germany.... keep going and i think we could engulf the entire world, good for a game scary to think of in real life.

[Psycho_Sam]

I know that the british aren't the country most involved in the un .

Errrr wtf??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? We have fought in nearly every your you have started as well as european matters such as kosovo/serbia conflicts!

[Sh0rtbUs]

yes yes we're all important. End the gong show pissing match "my weiner is bigger than yours bs". Next post better be of some relevance...

At least provide some proof of your statements.

Want the dates of every country that joined, to prove who has been arund the most?

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T ... dat&int=-1

Want to know who has been active the most? Simply join the respective military (s) in questions website, and view deployments.

Do some research people, since these little fights go nowheres but a thread lock.

Not directed specifically at you Sam, but this is going to snowball.

[Psycho_Sam]

http://www.arthistoryclub.com/art_histo ... 90-present

http://www.mod.uk/publications/performa ... chap01.htm


"Along with France and Russia, Britain fields one of the most powerful and comprehensive military forces in Europe. Despite Britain's wide ranging capabilities, recent defence policy has a stated assumption that any large operation would be undertaken as part of a coalition. Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq (Granby, No-Fly-Zones, Desert Fox and Telic) may all be taken as precedent - indeed the last true war in which the British military fought alone was the Falklands War of 1982"


Ok then here is a list of current british deployments. Now can someone say how the British are ot the most active member of the UN and back that up!

[Beckwith]

ok like half the ones in the second weblink you posted dont count

Military Search and Rescue in Peacetime

we have a coastguard to do that

Security of the Overseas Territories

if there your territories how is it a deployment?

Counter-Drugs Operations

again police work not a military deployment

Independent Nuclear Deterrent

this one is about nuclear subs we have tons of those too

Other Military Aid to the Civil Authorities

again if its in your borders not really a deployment

Military Aid to the Civil Authorities â$“ Foot and Mouth

again if its in your borders not really a deployment



the first link is just a bunch of bases

Belize, Brunei, Canada, Cyprus, Fauklands, Germany, Gibraltor, Kenya

those are all listed as bases and in my opinion a base in a foriegn country doesnt count as a deployment at least not a combat one, theres maybe 3 places on that first list that actually count out of the 12 total


if you saying bases in foriegn countries actually count ill find a list of US foriegn bases, hell the US Air Force alone has like 5 times as many foriegn bases

[Ugly Duck]

Some SF units are getting in on counter drug operations. Or so says the Military Channel.

[Beckwith]

i know iv heard of seals assisting on Coast Guards counter drug ops for years

[Eddie Baker]

The US Air Force and US Navy also do search and rescue in peacetime. All ships and aircraft, US or UK, are expected to assist in search and rescue whenever they can, so it is very much a military mission. It is not just relegated to the Coast Guard and local agencies.

Counternarcotics is a potential mission of both conventional military and special operations forces, these days, in direct-action, border security and foreign advisory roles. And in occupation / counterinsurgency operations like we're doing in Iraq, the distinction between military and police tasks becomes academic.

As for deployments onto their own territories, yes it most certainly is a deployment. You need to move assets to a designated place within a designated timetable with a designated objective, it's a deployment. Keep in mind that the military in the US can be called into its own territories for humanitarian assistance / disaster relief and civil disturbance operations; the LA riots of 1992 saw the deployment of the US Marines and regular Army in addition to the California National Guard and Army Reserves.

Speaking as a US national, the UK has gone to bat in open international conflicts, peacekeeping/stabilization and humanitarian assistance operations (such as humanitarian demining) in support of the UN, NATO or OSCE, just as much as the US, Canada, Australia or anyone else, for that matter. Sometimes in places where the US would not touch for whatever reason, like East Timor.

Now, the discussion on this forum of whom does more than whom and what or what does not count will stop.

[BrokenArrow]

good, nationalism is a good thing, to a point.

[Psycho_Sam]

Well nobody has proven still that UK are not involved in UN any less than the US so before you go making statements next time do some research then you wont get embaressed

Like I say you cannot argue with ignorance.

[Dre]

Please take it easy.

[BrokenArrow]

for those of you, like me, who had to look back at what this thread was originally about before we got into that 'pissing contest', it was a question of which war this game and mod were based on, we answered that it wasnt based on any war, and got into the discussion of what countries should be added, after that things got messy. of course it is up to the devs on which to include or exclude, so why dont we just (nicely) state which countries we would like to see there and why.

not why they are important in the world or which are more active than others (we should respect people serving their countries no matter where they are from (obviously)) but important as in how they would realistically fit into this game.

[Sh0rtbUs]

Not trying to trample toes here, especially yours brokenarrow..

But hasnt this been discussed in length here?



http://realitymod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1068

[BrokenArrow]

well, either the moderators have to keep telling us to cool it or we could get back to where the thread was headed before people started butting heads.

[Sh0rtbUs]

Ooooh if only i were a mod. Sometimes, locks are inevitable.

In a desperate attempt to steer this thread elsewheres, concerning the countries. We've all expressed our interest in having our respective militaries involved in the mod, but which theatre would they dominate?

Personally, as a canadian, I cant help but feel that our militaries operational capabilities in open warfare (such as both Gulf Wars) would be limited due to our transformation project underway, which includes the removal of heavy Armour and replacing it with lighter Units, ie. Stryker brigades implemented by the U.S.

On the other hand, Canadians have proven time and time again, its outstanding efficiency in Urban Warfare, mobility in tight spots and ability to handle itself extremely well in Light and mechanized infantry Roles. Afghanistan comes to mind...

Canada has some of the best Infantry going, and is extensively familiar with Winter and Arctic Warfare.

As for theatre, I think canadians would fit extremely well into such an atmosphere (Battle of the Bulge in vanilla BF comes to mind).

[BrokenArrow]

well putting the canadians in, which is a good idea, would need a plausible reason for them to be there. the US is there because, well, we (sometimes unfortunately) get involved in almost everything. the british are there because they and the US are pretty tight when it comes to this stuff, the MEC is there because its very violent over there unfortunately and the chinese are there because theyre enormous and have a big army to make battles interesting.

the canadians though, ive never seen them in a game, and their contribution to world affairs is as important as any, why not? as long as the devs are cool with it ill be glad to fight on the side of the canadian army .

[Sh0rtbUs]

well putting the canadians in, which is a good idea, would need a plausible reason for them to be there. the US is there because, well, we (sometimes unfortunately) get involved in almost everything. the british are there because they and the US are pretty tight when it comes to this stuff, the MEC is there because its very violent over there unfortunately and the chinese are there because theyre enormous and have a big army to make battles interesting.

the canadians though, ive never seen them in a game, and their contribution to world affairs is as important as any, why not? as long as the devs are cool with it ill be glad to fight on the side of the canadian army .

There have been a lot of mods focused on including the Canadian Army for many different games, but we're rarely included in the games themselves. Take BF42 for instance, Canadians never saw action until Caen was released.

Oh well, I guess people are still infatuated with the fancy U.S. Gizmos and SEAL type Commandos. Thats fine, I dont blame them actually, but the novelty has worn off for me. Id love to crawl under some spruce trees with a C6 GPMG in all white with balaklava and snow shoes, and mow down some people with a leaf on my shoulder

[requiem]

The Navy (P3 Orion) is also used for monitoring drug trafficking. They spot the transport and alert the Coast Guard. I was talking to a crew member and that's pretty much all he did last year.

They fly out of the Naval Base in Brunswick, ME:
http://www.nasb.navy.mil/

[BrokenArrow]

shortbus im right with you, throw in the canadians, and some snow maps for them to do their stuff in (even though they can probably handle anywhere from what youve said) but id really like some snow maps, i dunno if its just me but i always love snow maps.

ive also been thinking how they could fit into a game if the realism of the situation is also going to be a part of this mod. i said before that we could bring more european nations into the mix if the chinese attack russia (for oil to continue the war), why not call in the canadian forces up there with their winter gear?