Any plans on bringing these guys back????

DirtySock888 · Post by **DirtySock888** » 2005-06-19 21:30

I was a huge fan of these little people and i was pretty upset when they were removed from the game. Are there any plans to bring them back in your mod???

http://www.totalbf2.com/images.php?img= ... big/14.jpg

Those guys.

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2005-06-19 21:58

How do you know they aren't ingame? The BF2 Demo doesn't really cover the entire game.

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2005-06-19 22:05

Really? I don't really keep up with what EA says nowadays. I guess it would be cool to see them in game.

Post by **ArchEnemy** » 2005-06-19 22:08

It was a long, long time ago that they removed them,that's why it's logic that not everyone knows about it.

But I agree, they look cool

. But for some sort of political reason they removed them. (correct me if I am wrong)

DirtySock888 · Post by **DirtySock888** » 2005-06-19 22:14

From what i heard, they took them out because they didnt want the MEC to feel like "terrorists". Was hoping that this or some other mod would bring them back into the picture.

keef_haggerd · Post by **keef_haggerd** » 2005-06-19 22:49

i think those character models are awsome! id liek to see them in game.

Ugly Duck · Post by **Ugly Duck** » 2005-06-20 00:57

They could be the MEC SF. You don't have to be a terrorist to look like one.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-06-20 16:37

once again, out of realism i think the MEC should be more of a terrorist faction. as for why they took them out i would guess that it is about them not wanting them to look like terrorists, someone out there (and theres always someone) would make noise about it. There would be one kid who played battlefield who makes fun of someone with a turban or something middle eastern on, then all of a sudden BF2 is the devil. When the washington sniper thing was going on over here someone went after counter-strike for it, saying that the game teaches people how to use the scope on a sniper rifle....

on the same sort of thing, BF1942 excluded the swatztika flag, waiting for mods to put them in, althought i think symbols of naziism are a little more serious

DirtySock888 · Post by **DirtySock888** » 2005-06-20 16:54

My personal opinion is that no matter how realistic it may seem, it is still a game. I have no problem with terrorists or nazis running around and i would honestly play as either of them because its just a game, and if you are not capable of comprehending this than you are not old enough to play.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-06-20 16:58

i agree 100%, people are too sensitive to these things, they try to forget it and thats how it repeats itself. i think bf was pretty much barred from putting in symbols of nazism though cause it might be illegal in some countries (in the agreement to install FH realism -swatstikas are only available with that- you had to agree that you wernt in a country where they are illegal so they must be somewhere) and so that would put down their sales... which takes a seat in front of realism with companies and especially with BF as you can tell from them taking these guys out.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-06-20 17:16

BrokenArrow wrote:once again, out of realism i think the MEC should be more of a terrorist faction. as for why they took them out i would guess that it is about them not wanting them to look like terrorists, someone out there (and theres always someone) would make noise about it.

It also makes sense for BF2 not to have the "terrorist stereotype uniform" since the MEC is depicted as a conventionally organized and equipped army, and not a guerilla / terrorist / insurgent force.

However, it is also stupid to remove the shemagh, as it is simply an article of clothing, and a very practical and widely used one in that part of the world. You will see regular troops wear them over or under their preotective headgear. Our soldiers even wear them (not just special ops to blend in) because it keeps the dust out of your nose and mouth and protects your neck from the sun.

It can only be considered a terrorist distinctive sign if it comes in certain colors associated with a terrorist or guerilla group; PLO at one time had distinctively patterned shemaghs, just as the Viet Cong and Khmer Rouge had checker-patterened scarves.

That having been said, the MEC (or whatever faction it evolves into in PR) may be a conventional force on some maps and a guerilla force on others, so you may or may not see the shemagh back in PR.

Psycho_Sam · Post by **Psycho_Sam** » 2005-06-20 17:42

The only reason i can think why people would not want terrorists or swasticas etc included in a game is because they are trying to deny their existence. It is a lot harder to say yes this did happen or yes this is happening when they can just try and exclude it from the publics concience. Just because terrorist factions are portayed is not going to make people who play it want to become one.

I think germany has banned swasticas from games to stop the rise of nazis in the country. Also I think another country does not allow portrayal of humans dying so only fps games with zombies etc are allowed.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-06-20 17:52

its a crazy world

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-06-20 19:20

the reason they took them out was probably the same reason they took out the swatztica(sp?) Nazis flag in BF42 in favor of a less politically touchy german flag, and why they went with a fictious MEC rather than picking a middle eastern country for the US to go to war with thus upsetting people and why they didnt want to make it a US vs Muslim terrorists game, lets face it EA is a big company and this is a big time game up there with HL2 as far as how many people are waiting for it and how popular they expect it to be. EA doesnt want to get ripped to shreds for making a game that could in anyway be viewed as anti muslim. EA's a big company and people could get upset if they werent careful in how the portrayed things in there games.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-06-20 19:26

yeah im not blaming ea as much as stating how society has become as a whole. while EA cant add stuff like terrorists the mods can... which is why we have PR!

TCS · Post by **TCS** » 2005-06-21 03:47

I work on simulators for the US military, and we don't really have "enemy soldiers" as much as we have "insurgents" to fight against. The current world climate dictates what we portray in our systems, until about 4 years ago... do the math... we had simple troop targets in European scenery for tank gunnery training systems. Now the Army wants middle-eastern urban environments with plain-clothed insurgents in and among civilians. Same goes for vehicles... old Russian vehicles are naturally the standard, but technicals are right up there.

Reality would say that we should have insurgents in the game. I personally love the look of the guys in that old screenshot... nothing politically or ethnicly wrong intended at all. The unfortunate truth is that very often the enemy can't be picked out of a crowd of friendlys.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-06-21 05:07

i agree alot with waht your sayin TCS, just because there portrayed as an irregular guerilla force doesnt mean its a slight to a middle eastern culture, we tend to look down on guerrila warfare when infact we do the same thing only we call it "unconventional" warfare, the middle eastern conflicts of late wouldnt be the first time we faced this sort of thing vietnam comes to mind, id love to see the models in i think they look great

Post by **Wolfmaster** » 2005-06-21 08:56

terrorists should be in there, and not only because they look cool. also because it's realistic. cus if you look at the facts the us army is right now having a harder time disposing of all the terrorists in iraq then they had fighting saddam's conventional army. (i'm not a soldier so i haven't got any personal experience but it's what i conclude from news reports and statistics) if the pr devs are afraid people might get upset when you picture the middle east as terrorists just dispose of the mec in all. they're not even realistic so why leave them in anyway.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-06-21 15:51

im sure the PR devs arent worried about getting a bad report from people because PR wont be as mainstream as BF2. hopefully those skins or something like them make it into PR