Required Spotter kit to request sniper kit

[Arc_Shielder]

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All you've done remotely constructive in this thread was to quote (the few) others that presented decent argumentation to why this shouldn't be implemented.

Avoid this topic altogether if you're not bringing anything to the table.

[Spec]

I'd like to remind y'all that this is a 'suggestion' thread. The Dev team is fully capable of rejecting suggestions if there are obvious logical errors with them. If you think you found one and pointed it out, rest assured that you do not need to convince the supporters of the suggestion to drop it. The Devs will read your initial criticism, contemplate, internally discuss, and then act.

The 'outcome' of this discussion does not influence the development process at all, only the proposal and the new, original, insightful (counter-)arguments. So carry on once you've said your bit, please.

[emmanuel15]

I say use the "DROP THE KIT" thing once a sniper leaves a sqd iit gives him a small time to join one and if not it kills him and a must be two people to request the kit will do the same if there ain't another member if he opens he's own sqd. Then the sniper is more manageable and less people will try lone wolfing but code wise I don't know a thing and it May be to strict for some people...btw I got my "Lance Corporal" a post ago (see date)

[doop-de-doo]

I support this idea. However, the sniper and spotter kits must be linked so a spotter can't request a sniper kit (similar to "That kit was already issued to you.") for obvious reasons.

[Sgt.BountyOrig]

Well, if the team needs to get mobilized and one squad is sat around waiting for five minutes to request a new kit..?

[emmanuel15]

I support this idea. However, the sniper and spotter kits must be linked so a spotter can't request a sniper kit (similar to "That kit was already issued to you.") for obvious reasons.

I kinda agree with you on that but I dunno...a spotter has become a very important asset and you can't request a sniper for every squad so I say that maybe the sniper needs a super to request a kit but that's really too strict...good idea though.

Well, if the team needs to get mobilized and one squad is sat around waiting for five minutes to request a new kit..?

if he wants it so much he should suffer for it...unless you aren't talking about a sniper kit so no...

[Gracler]

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You can't get the Sniper kit unless you have a Squad Leader at least, who would acts as a Spotter in PR.98.
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you don't need a squad-leader, you just need to be in a populated squad, so you can make your own squad and invite a random guy and get it....and kick him out again or leave the squad and go total solo.

This is one of the things I hate about the current sniper system that you don't have to be in a squad, however the server option to kick people not in a squad would fix this.

[stray cat]

It is a **** idea.

Snipers needing spotters is not even official doctrine in many countries. Besides in this game, I DO NOT need a second guy telling when there is some pixel moving.


The motivation behind all this obstructing snipers with all sorts of restrictions seems to be some weird idea that if you are possibly not allowed to have fun with a weapon that can kill enemies on 600m. So there has to be some mechanism to get in the way of that.

But that is wrong.
You do not have to "teamplay" if you want to be a good sniper. And by teamplay I mean that pretending teamplay where people obsess over walking around together instead of actually shooting enemies. Because a sniper who on his own simply shoots enemy in sight all the time and occassionally calls out something that others can not see is far more valuable to the team than someone who wants to re-enact jarhead by sitting around with a spotter in some remote spot.

And for spotting, if you really want to be a valuable scout for teh team, you only need a binocular. That whole idea that snipers are scouts first then shooters is a waste of firepower. Because as I just said, a dude with a binocular can scout and call out enemy movements far more quickly, and he does not even need a gun for that. So keeping a sniper back in a pure scouting role is a complete waste.

And forcing good players from being lone snipers by having to drag some spotter around is PURE COCKBLOCKING. Its a form of sadism to prevent someone from having too much fun with a sniper kit.



Teamplay is about supporting the team so your team wins. Wether someone decides to do that on a squad level or on a more strategic detached scale (lonewolfing) is the player's choice.

[Steeps]

It is a **** idea.

Snipers needing spotters is not even official doctrine in many countries. Besides in this game, I DO NOT need a second guy telling when there is some pixel moving.


The motivation behind all this obstructing snipers with all sorts of restrictions seems to be some weird idea that if you are possibly not allowed to have fun with a weapon that can kill enemies on 600m. So there has to be some mechanism to get in the way of that.

But that is wrong.
You do not have to "teamplay" if you want to be a good sniper. And by teamplay I mean that pretending teamplay where people obsess over walking around together instead of actually shooting enemies. Because a sniper who on his own simply shoots enemy in sight all the time and occassionally calls out something that others can not see is far more valuable to the team than someone who wants to re-enact jarhead by sitting around with a spotter in some remote spot.

And for spotting, if you really want to be a valuable scout for teh team, you only need a binocular. That whole idea that snipers are scouts first then shooters is a waste of firepower. Because as I just said, a dude with a binocular can scout and call out enemy movements far more quickly, and he does not even need a gun for that. So keeping a sniper back in a pure scouting role is a complete waste.

And forcing good players from being lone snipers by having to drag some spotter around is PURE COCKBLOCKING. Its a form of sadism to prevent someone from having too much fun with a sniper kit.



Teamplay is about supporting the team so your team wins. Wether someone decides to do that on a squad level or on a more strategic detached scale (lonewolfing) is the player's choice.

I think you should go back to Call of Duty....

And I think next time I see a sniper, without a spotter, asking for medic I'll just ignore him.

But I do support OP's post about having a spotter to use the sniper kit. It really needs to be a team role because the sniper no longer has a GTLD or radio so he cannot really spot or laze anything by himself.

[stray cat]

I think you should go back to Call of Duty....

And I think next time I see a sniper, without a spotter, asking for medic I'll just ignore him.

But I do support OP's post about having a spotter to use the sniper kit. It really needs to be a team role because the sniper no longer has a GTLD or radio so he cannot really spot or laze anything by himself.

I would like to stay polite, but you are an ***. For telling me to play COD. This is the type of ******* attitude that damages this game. Whenever someone has a complaint about something in this game some idiot tells you to "go play COD", as if playing PR and avoiding COD makes you somehow intellectually superior.

Its basically some elitist attitude without being actually leet enough for it. Seriously refusing medical help to a sniper because he has no spotter? That is being a collossal asshat.

A sniper can call out targets over chat like any other player and he has a binocular. And lasing targets? Get me a fucking break, you need a very lucky constellation of circumstances for a sniper lasing targets to actually matter:

You need a functioning weapon that actually is manned and able to fire on that lased target when you lase. That weapon system would actually have the need for someoen to lase target. And this is almost never the case. You think a cobra helicopter needs someone to lase a target on muttrah? Lasing targets its so fucking irrelevant in this game because the otehr supporting factors for that lasing to actually be followed by a missile almost never occur in the right moment. So you can throw that argument out of the window. A sniper without a guy next to him with a GTLD is never going to break the game for your team.

ALso a spotter can lase targets without a sniper, it is a fantastic scouting kit on its own, you can climb on stuff and lase targets, and you do not need a guy with a high powered scoped rifle with a narrow FOV to stand next to you for spotting targets.

You can either follow that sick fetish of snipers not being supposed to shoot enemies or demand them to have a spotter to call them out targets which they do not need calling out for.

So what is it going to be? Insisting that a sniper who should not even consider that rifle for shooting to have a partner that helps him spot targets he should not shoot.

OR

Insist that the spotter who is supposed to lase targets to have a sniper mate next to him to call out targets to lase the spotter can see without him anyway?



BTW I played every cod there is for PCs and I intend to play every new one in the future. Also I played PR since 2005 and I happily risk my medic *** to pull downed teammates out of danger regardless of what kit they carry.

[Dunstwolke]

I like the idea, but to make it work as suggested we'd need unlimited Spotter kits (not sure if they are limited now).
Reasoning:
If some squads request spotter-kits, but no snipers, a squad without a current spotter, but with valid need for a sniper might not be able to request it, even though a sniper kit is available.

So I'd switch the requirements, if it is possible programming wise.
What if you could request a sniper kit anytime, but only if a sniper is in the squad you can request a spotting kit. Then in addition the sniper kit has to perform a check 15s after being picked up, if a spotter is in the group. Else you'll get the "Can't use this kit" message and a blackout after X seconds.

[MikeDude]

The only down side is, 2 man locked squads..

[Tolstoievski]

PLEASE DON'T DO THAT! IT WOULD RUIN THE GAME FOR ME!

[Lugi]

PLEASE DON'T DO THAT! IT WOULD RUIN THE GAME FOR ME!

You love lonewolfin' with that sniper, don't you?

[MikeDude]

You love lonewolfin' with that sniper, don't you?

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[badmojo420]

If we're going this far I want these restrictions across the board, co-pilot seat in scout helicopters has to be manned to get in pilot, tanks need 50cal gunner to man the main gun & driver seat. Tow, HMG & AA emplacements require a soldier with binos within a certain radius. All vehicles with a passenger seat require a vehicle commander kit.

I mean, those added restrictions should increase enjoyability for every teamwork minded PR player in every situation you could face... right? /s



OR just reward teamwork and let the players figure out how they want to make it happen.

[badmojo420]

The point is it would finally Legitimize the Sniper team in PR.

Having a similar system in place for Armor, would also be good. Something like a "Tank Commander" with Officer kit functions being the only kit that can operate a Tank, with maybe a benefit of having the kit reserved for a time so they would actually get first pick to take the tank again.

I like the idea of squads dedicated to certain assets.

If someone wants to dedicate to something like APCs ops or Trans, I think they should have the benefit, or encouragement, of being able to run it for the map.

This already happens with squad names. There's no need to force your system of structure on everyone.

For example, with the sniper kit requiring a spotter, does that include the Taliban, Rebels & Hamas too? It could be argued that those factions run snipers in real life without spotters.

Just because the US never sends a sniper in without a spotter doesn't automatically make it the best practice in every situation. Especially when we're talking about a video game encouraging teamwork rather than following reality exactly.


Just because a person isn't in a squad and is off on their own with a sniper kit, that doesn't automatically mean they're not a teamwork oriented player. I've seen lots of lone snipers who are a great asset to the team. Sniper kit off alone might hint at useless COD kiddie, but it isn't always. So, I reject this suggestion on the basis that I don't want to restrict snipers, because I've witnessed them operating alone effectively.