M61 VULCAN 20MM

[Felix]

I still haven't been able to play 1.0, however I'm allowing myself to give you this feedback.

The M61 VULCAN 20mm that the CF-18, F/A-18, AV-8B, and F-16 carries sounds absolutely DISGUSTING. It doesn't sound anywhere even close to what it sounds like in real life. Currently it sounds like the GSh-30-1 which is completely different and is a machinegun and not a gatling gun.

It should sound more like this:


This is a very serious bug that must be fixed ASAP.

[AfterDune]

First, Youtube should never be used for sound comparison.

Second, this is NOT a serious bug and does NOT have to be fixed asap.

Third, I'll let the experts comment on the sound.

Fourth, play 1.0 before you post stuff like this man

[40mmrain]

some shitty iphone microphone is not representative of the real sound.

You see, the issue here is that sounds you see recorded in videos are not actually the sounds your ear hears in person.

Creating sounds from recordings, or even just taking direct sound recordings and translating them into a videogame - is all VERY complex.

One of the DICE sound designers for BF3 actually released a really interesting video regarding this very problem, the video shows recording of a single gun (pkm) from a bunch of different directions with a bunch of different equipment, producing an entirely different sound each and every time.

The equipment used to record the sound plays a massive part in the outputted sound you get in videos.

The sound in this video is quite clearly heavily distorted and warped because it's far louder than the mic is supposed to be recording, I usually call this the "tinny" (as in sounding like a "tin") effect.

Watch the video, and next time you take issues with sounds in a game bear in mind that without first-hand experience no recording is EVER telling you exactly what your ears would hear from any position.

EA DICE PKM Gun Recording Microphone Type, Position & Pre Amp Comparison - ben(dot)minto(at)dice(dot)se on Vimeo

My general recommendation would be to assume that any and all videos you pluck from youtube aren't using an immense amount of professional sound recording equipment, or even decent equipment in the first place, and aren't outputting the correct sound that your ear would hear anyway as every single piece of equipment, distance and tiny details will produce a very different sound every time.

Translate this issue into the fact that videogames typically have to have only 1 recording of a bullet shot that gets repeated many many times for burst/automatic fire and you can imagine the problems.

Sound is a complicated matter.

[Felix]

Go try it ingame and you'll understand. I know it isn't perfect in the video but at least it's somewhat more similar to reality compared to the horrible sound that is ingame at the moment...

Afaik DCS has a pretty accurate sound on how it sounds in real life.
Eventhough this is also youtube here's another video:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=rela ... y9VPTWyLh0

This is how it sounded back in.98 which was much better than what it sounds like now.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NewXUcG1jfg

[40mmrain]

The F-16's M61 sounds really nice.

http://youtu.be/bdsMlXasV6k

[Felix]

The F-16's M61 sounds really nice.

M61 demonstration, BF2 R v 1.031 - YouTube

Agreed, I only heard the F/A-18 so i expected it to be the same for all.

[40mmrain]

The AV-8B actually is armed with the 25mm GAU-12 equalizer, so understandably it sounds different from the M61. However the F/A-18C is typically armed with the M61. Curiously the AV-8B's gun and F/A-18C's sound the same in PR. The AV-8B's gun sound is fine to me, but it would make the most sense if the M61 sounded the same on all aircraft.

[Steeps]

some shitty iphone microphone is not representative of the real sound.

And that post you made is pretty much why I love BF3, amazing sound design.

[Felix]

Bump Anders!
I can confirm that the F/A-18C gun sounds exactly like the MiG-29, SU-27, SU-34 and SU-39 when it instead should sound the same as the F-16C.

[K4on]

not 100% sure, but I guess Jafar fixed it for 1.0.36.0 already.

[Felix]

ok ty for reply

[Jafar Ironclad]

Yup, fixed for the next build. Thanks for reporting.

[-=anders=-]

Its done... Didnt even know ut uses the M61...