With 8 man squads should IFVs not be in infantry squads rather than on their own?

[matty1053]

So... 15 times 3 equals 45. You have played 45 minutes of mechanized infantry, and you're claiming that you have more than enough experience?

No??

I said I have played 3 FULL rounds.
One of those FULL rounds, the server crashed.
So I have about 3 and a Half hours of experience of MECH Inf.

I have attempted to squad lead MECH Inf squads about 8 times... that I disconnected on.

3 and a Half Hours Experience.
8 Rounds of 15min (Because I disconnect or got kicked for 'stealing assets'.)

Plus, let me add that in good ol' .98, I have lead MECH Inf squads plenty of times.

(I know, that it's pretty small of a squad... only 4 inf units including Squad Lead).

[Rudd]

Only your post count, counts. So lets end that discussion

What I don't understand atm is SLs driving or gunning the vehicle when he has an eight man squad. The SL should have officer to mark targets for the team, give lazes to CAS, and lead the dismounts. Being a crewman demmands 100% of your time, much like being a medic dies. Wiuld you want your SL going medic?

Imo the only reason SLs go crewman in infantry squads is because they desperately wanted to run a vehicle, not run a squad.

[CR8Z]

Imo the only reason SLs go crewman in infantry squads is because they desperately wanted to run a vehicle, not run a squad.

Yup. Or near enough.

If the SL is going to run crewman in an 8 man squad, then EVERYBODY is going to run crewman in that squad and take out 4 vehicles. Just rub that INF out in your name.

[Portable.Cougar]

About to try 8 man Hind Air-inf sq.

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[matty1053]

About to try 8 man Hind Air-inf sq.

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Oh god....
Like that will turn out well. Well, it will work on TG most likely.


But honestly, I saw today a Armor inf
It was stupid as heck!!!
They claimed all the tanks and stuff. It was just bad.


Well, this might be off topic but...

I don't get when ever there is a Trans squad, and only like 1 black hawk... the squad is constantly Full.

As well goes to like CAS squads... do they really need like 8 man squads?

From what My PR experience has told my brain....

1.Trans squads should only have people flying trans, not wandering around doing god knows what.
2.CAS squads are supposed to have pilots.... not 6-8men walking around the battlefield wasting tickets by dieing constantly.
3.Recon Squads USUALLY do not have 8 people in it doing what ever.

I have seen Trans and CAS squads have the right amount of people in them!
**Usually the squad leader of CAS squad is the spotter.**


But on topic.
Ever since this thread has been created.... I have seen 3x more MECH Inf squads... weird.

[Portable.Cougar]

Worked great,

Hind was able to Transport to a safe location and dismount its 6 man Inf team.

Then as the SL I was able to guide them on to targets quickly and effectively.

I would do it again.

[saXoni]

Black Gold Large.

[Portable.Cougar]

It was Black Gold Alt

Yeah AA was an issue, we just made sure the inital Drop off was far enough away to advance on foot and spot targets.

For the first flight we Actually lazed and killed the Mobile AA with the Hind itself.

We were shot down a few times, but it was only by the Jets playing that round. Our team couldn't catch a break on that front.

It would be better if we did it on a map that did not have the Jet assets. I just don't know what maps have a hind on the right now.

[Rudd]

It would be better if we did it on a map that did not have the Jet assets. I just don't know what maps have a hind on the right now.

I think it's probably only black gold, Saarema and Pavlovsk 128

[matty1053]

Worked great,

Hind was able to Transport to a safe location and dismount its 6 man Inf team.

Then as the SL I was able to guide them on to targets quickly and effectively.

I would do it again.

I hated that round. As china we had a annoying commander. He was like 11 or something. He then crashed a heli into our jet. It was a hell round for us Chinese lol

[dtacs]

Sounds like although its good for the infantry, an asset as ticket-destroying and costly as the Hind would be better spent doing CAS. I haven't got the chance to do M-INF out of a Merkava yet unfortunately.

I personally think Mechanized is the answer to combined arms in PR. Not too hard to organize, is squad based without having to trifle with cross-squad chat and has a high ticket reduction to expandability ratio. Now with rallies its even easier.

BMP-2 smashes hard when used correctly.

[Portable.Cougar]

a few months later, how does the community feel about this topic?

[K4on]

You can reserve on APC/IFV for a MECH INF squad on NEW.
And its paying out.

[saamohod]

If you ask me, it makes more sense of having an APC/IFV attached to a squad instead of having a separate squad of APC's fighting on their own.

[eversmen_br]

we could have a feature to use the squad points to "buy" an IFV or transport on the main base

[saXoni]

we could have a feature to use the squad points to "buy" an IFV or transport on the main base

Pretty sure that's impossible due to the limitations of the engine.

[Murphy]

It depends on the squad leader really. Oblivious INF ask too much from Armour and end up wasting the asset needlessly. It can work if you are willing to keep from risking the APC/IFV too often, and allow the crew to make their own judgement call. Too often I've seen this result in the APC being used as trans, getting into a horrible spot for a few moments then -boom-.

If you have a dedicated APC squad they will ensure the asset is kept alive, and will take it upon themselves to manage the risk/reward aspects. This is also reliant upon the squad leader and how closely he decides to work with the infantry. Sometimes you get those guys who just camp for kills, seemingly far off from the infantry. Most people will say "no teamwork", but really someone has to tie the enemy up and if the Armour crews are getting kills they are ultimately strangling reinforcements and drawing attention away from the more vulnerable infantrymen.

I see merit in both choices but I cannot stress how important it is for the Mech INF SLs to preserve the asset, even at the cost of their own. I remember in PRT C9 watching two infantry squads take BTRs and abandon them on the top of the hill west of the dam on Jabal. Horribly dumb, but if an organized team can pull a stunt like that imagine randoms who really don't adhere to the values of teamwork.

[MuffinMunchies]

My experience has been that APC squads are almost always concerned with getting kills and only communicate with the other squads when they want to know where enemy armor is. In the last month of playing (while squad leading infantry, probably 20 times or so), I think the APC squad of whatever team I was on agreed to transport infantry only twice. Offered on their own only once.

The biggest problem is that APC squads simply look at their role as "to kill the other team's APCs then rack of anti-infantry kills" rather than an APC's true role of supporting friendly infantry on their advances and helping move them towards the front.


Meanwhile, when I was able to run Mech Inf squads (IIRC, HOG puts precedent for APCs on the APC-named squads and if the APC squad doesn't allow someone to make Mechinf you're shit out of luck), the close coordination and the constant communication between not just two squad leaders, but 6 infantry and 2 APC operators led for great cover, and when needed, fast escape from a sticky situation. It was exceptionally helpful on maps such as Saaremaa, whose thick tree cover makes it very difficult for infantry to spot one another, whereas the US AAVs (wouldn't use the LAVs), already particularly well suited for clearing out enemy infantry, could also spot them amongst the trees with their thermals, or could cover a road or clearing the enemy must or is likely to take to approach the friendly infantry. I've had my MechInf squads saved more than once by our APC providing physical and fire cover for the lone medic who revived the entire squad.


P.S. An APC working with Infantry out front is much less likely to drive up on an enemy LAT and get taken out than one working alone in the forest.