tank guns and tank armour

hussamsoft · Post by **hussamsoft** » 2013-09-03 20:08

ok still i'm not sure but do all tank guns fire with the same power?? it's not clear but i think that the 115mm of the t-62 fires with the same power of the 120mm of the challenger 2 in-game, based loosely on trying to hit the warrior IFV with both tanks and same results, but still not pretty sure, however if all tanks fire with the same power that could mean they have the same armour

anyways about the t-62 115mm gun can it penetrate the frontal armour of a warrior with regular APFSDS at long ranges in real life, and what's it's performance against other modern tanks of this day?

matty1053 · Post by **matty1053** » 2013-09-03 21:52

The t62 tank takes a couple shots at the darn challenger and the challenger will still be rolling

You can prove that the t72 is weak on kashan.
One hit from Abraham will disable it and kill it.

Are you saying if the 115mm is more powerful than the 120mm?

AnA10Warthog · Post by **AnA10Warthog** » 2013-09-03 23:37

matty1053 wrote: You can prove that the t72 is weak on kashan.
One hit from Abraham will disable it and kill it.

Wait- really? On Khamisayah, I get screwed over in an Abrams all the time.

Gracler · Post by **Gracler** » 2013-09-03 23:59

matty1053 wrote:The t62 tank takes a couple shots at the darn challenger and the challenger will still be rolling

You can prove that the t72 is weak on kashan.
One hit from Abraham will disable it and kill it.

Are you saying if the 115mm is more powerful than the 120mm?

The M1A1 and the T72 has the same armor and the same firepower in PR.

Both can resist one AP tank shell to any part of the armor although they might get "disabled" if hit in the rear or side.

A 2nd AP tank shell will kill both the M1A1 and T72 but there is a chance you will survive if the front armor is hit for the 2nd time.

The 3rd AP tank shell even if hit on the front armor will kill both for sure.

The irregularity happens more often on the t72 that the tank shell will "ricochet" on the front armor of the t72 and result in a double hit that has a chance of disabling and even destroying it.

TOW launchers have more damage than a tank AP shell and can therefore score a 1 hit kill if either of the tanks are hit in the rear. It also seems to easier "glitch" and score a double hit on the front armor and score instant death for a t72.

matty1053 · Post by **matty1053** » 2013-09-04 00:05

Gracler wrote:The M1A1 and the T72 has the same armor and the same firepower in PR.

Both can resist one AP tank shell to any part of the armor although they might get "disabled" if hit in the rear or side.

A 2nd AP tank shell will kill both the M1A1 and T72 but there is a chance you will survive if the front armor is hit for the 2nd time.

The 3rd AP tank shell even if hit on the front armor will kill both for sure.

The irregularity happens more often on the t72 that the tank shell will "ricochet" on the front armor of the t72 and result in a double hit that has a chance of disabling and even destroying it.

TOW launchers have slightly more damage than a tank AP shell and can therefore score a 1 hit kill if either of the tanks are hit in the rear. It also seems to easier "glitch" and score a double hit on the front armor and score instant death for a t72.

Well, I guess I am a good tanker.
When ever I face to face with a T72, I seem to win easily. I have no clue why.

Kashan, well.... it's a easy win for the T72's sometimes.

Wait- really? On Khamisayah, I get screwed over in an Abrams all the time.

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Gracler · Post by **Gracler** » 2013-09-04 00:33

Just realized that kashan actually features the M1A2 and not the A1 but they work the same I believe, so I'm not sure what the difference is.

If it wasn't for the "glitch" on the T72 I actually prefer that one as it has a lower profile than the Abrams.

The German Leopard 2 has a huge profile and no ATGM so it is really struggling against the Russian T90. Sad because in real life it is a really nice tank.

The t62 has no "reinforced" frontal armor but it still needs 2 ap shells to kill it and it has the same firepower as conventional ap tank shells but the reload time is longer which is it's biggest flaw making it inferior in a head to head fight.

hussamsoft · Post by **hussamsoft** » 2013-09-04 09:36

matty1053 wrote:The t62 tank takes a couple shots at the darn challenger and the challenger will still be rolling

You can prove that the t72 is weak on kashan.
One hit from Abraham will disable it and kill it.

Are you saying if the 115mm is more powerful than the 120mm?

no thats not the point, the point is do they fire with same power in PR? i know in reality the rifled L30 120mm tank gun is far more powerful than the 115mm of the t-62, what im saying is do the tanks in PR have the same capabilties in both firepower and armour??

Brainlaag · Post by **Brainlaag** » 2013-09-04 10:28

hussamsoft wrote:no thats not the point, the point is do they fire with same power in PR? i know in reality the rifled L30 120mm tang gun is far more powerful than the 115mm of the t-62, what im saying is do the tanks in PR have the same capabilties in both firepower and armour??

No, the T-62 has less armor and less firepower than other tanks in PR (Balance reasons mostly).

Myru · Post by **Myru** » 2013-09-05 12:41

This video might be interesting:

MBT AP Damage - PR 1.0 - YouTube

Henrique_Dalben · Post by **Henrique_Dalben** » 2013-09-05 12:57

Brainlaag wrote:No, the T-62 has less armor and less firepower than other tanks in PR (Balance reasons mostly).

Actually, it doesn't. I tested it yesterday against the challenger 2, and both tanks were destroyed by 2 round to the front armor. The T-62 was destroyed after the second round fired from the Challenger, and the Challenger was also destroyed after the second round fired from the T-62, with both hits hitting the front armor.

Please stop confusing the other people. Your report seems to be not clean enough, as the code and plenty of tests are completely different than that what you just reported.
Make sure to have a tank with 100% HP (on a local server with debug enabled go for "rcon debug vehicles" and you see the Hitpoints fe) and make a video of the excat shooting procedure so I can convince myself that you hit the spots you are telling here. Thanks for your understanding.

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Murphy · Post by **Murphy** » 2013-09-05 15:41

The only clear advantage an Abrams has over a T72 is the reload speed. That's not to say both tanks have the same properties, I'm sure one might be faster (Abrams seems somewhat faster on even ground, but when it comes to climbing hills both tanks are bad) and considering the shape and size I'll go ahead and say the T72 might be a bit easier to hull down. Both tanks can take 3 hits and if you're unlucky/forced to fire on a heavily armored section I've seen (and been in) some tanks limp to cover and get repairs after 3 hits.

hussamsoft · Post by **hussamsoft** » 2013-09-05 20:35

Brainlaag wrote:No, the T-62 has less armor and less firepower than other tanks in PR (Balance reasons mostly).

Henrique_Dalben wrote:Actually, it doesn't. I tested it yesterday against the challenger 2, and both tanks were destroyed by 2 round to the front armor. The T-62 was destroyed after the second round fired from the Challenger, and the Challenger was also destroyed after the second round fired from the T-62, with both hits hitting the front armor.

Ok now im confused

so what is the answer do the tanks in pr have the same firepower and armour?? or what?

Prevtzer · Post by **Prevtzer** » 2013-09-06 20:21

hussamsoft wrote:Ok now im confused so what is the answer do the tanks in pr have the same firepower and armour?? or what?

Firepower yes, armour no. But for the most part it's the reload speed and ATGM capabilities that make the difference. Armour wise- they all take 3 hits to the front.

Gracler · Post by **Gracler** » 2013-09-07 03:40

All you need to know is the t62's front armor is as weak as it's side armor, so you don't have to worry about turning the "front" to the enemy, as long as your not showing your back.

Any other tank has 3 hit front armor 2 hit side armor and 1.1 Hit rear armor when hit by an AP tank shell.
T62 = 2 hit front armor 2 hit side armor 1.1 hit rear armor.

Firepower is the same for all tanks (if you don't count atgm's).... reload time is slower on the t62.

Post by **K4on** » 2013-09-07 11:41

hussamsoft wrote:so what is the answer do the tanks in pr have the same firepower and armour??

The biggest differences regarding the tanks in PR are physics, fire rates and armament.

The armour system is kinda similar for all tanks, except for the old T-62.
It has less Hitpoints and lower front armor than the modern MBTs.
(Check this out for more info: MBT AP Damage - PR 1.0 - YouTube)

Some tanks have easier hitable "critical" zones than other tanks aswell, but this depends on the invidual tank model.
In general, a modern MBT with full hitpoints needs 3 AP hits to the front to blow up, while the T-62 needs only two.

But yeah, we wanted to keep it balanced and simple, the damage of the MBT projectiles is in most cases the same.
So the damage dealt to other vehicles is defined by the targets armor ATM.

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