M16A4 not accurate enough?

[ComradeHX]

Its not opinion, its experience.

The AK-74 is not a high quality item, loose tolerances. Also, it has a lot of metal parts flying back and forth to work the action, and that adds to inaccuracy and even recoil.

Loose tolerance? Now tell me more about how its gas system is supposed to work with loose tolerance.

7.62mm AKS-47 recoil is observed to be so "big" because there was no muzzle brake.

[DesmoLocke]

The deviations in place model IRL near perfect and for me is no more an issue. Before the 1.0 release the deviation was never right no matter what version you say.

Pssh. 0.5 deviation was the bees knees!

It may not have been right but it was fun!

[Bellator]

The AK-74 is not a high quality item, loose tolerances. Also, it has a lot of metal parts flying back and forth to work the action, and that adds to inaccuracy and even recoil.

The ak system doesn't even need the tightest possible tolerances to reach high accuracy. The rifle I served with, an AK 47 copy, rattled like crazy when I shook it (especially the top cover --- and in this praticular rifle, the rear sight was on top of it!) and yet it reached an accuracy superior to that of many m16s I read about. And this AK clone was in the ancient 7.62x39: I would imagine that the 5.45 mm with its far superior ballistics would achieve accuracy comparable to 5.56 reliably.

The reason why the users of Aks don't hit anything is because they have lack of training or bad ammo, I would imagine. Stuff that cannot and really should not be represented in PR, because only player skill should matter in the conditioning/traning dimension.

[Human_001]

BTW while you guys are talking about topic regarding AK I want to nudge one argument in here. I got huge beef with AK representation in PR, and we made quite productive thread about it before so I want to introduce it.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f18-pr ... ction.html

AK 47 Muzzle Brakes - Demonstration / Test in HD (AK74,Slant,Nut) - YouTube

Please read the First post and watch the video. What I wanted to say is pretty much in there.

In nutshell
1. AK47 Do have recoil problem. Specific to currently depicted AK model with No muzzle brake and Slant stock.
2.It is not realistic for majority's AK to be depicted as AK47 instead of AKM because current guns refered to as "AK47" in media is actually an AKM. Thus making current depiction of AK's recoil problem unrealistic.

Also something's definitely wrong with 1.0 AK and SKS isn't it? After measuring recoil 'distance' against wall I found that AK47 has same jump as G3 and FAL. As for SKS it has even more. I can see that SKS could be less controllable than AK due to lack of pistol grip (I wonder which one has heavier recoil parts the AK or the SKS?) tho, should not have same or more recoil than Battle rifle. Btw, RPK's recoil feels as if unchanged from previous version.

[Bellator]

The AK is not an MOA rifle. The AR platform rifle is consistently out of the box an MOA to sub-MOA shooter.

Can an AK-47 be made to be more accurate, yes.

Can an AR based rifle be made to be more accurate than the most accurate AK-47, yes.

If I'm not mistaken Finland has a history of making their battle rifle better than stock. At least I know a Finnish Mosin Nagant is more accurate, and is worth more than any other Mosins for the reason Finland didn't just take what was given to them, they took the rifle and re-manufactured it to be better than other Mosins. Whether or not this is the case with your AK I have no idea, but I would suspect it with the upgraded sight system you told us about.

Yes, the Finnish copy has higher quality manifacture, but its ballistics are still terrible because of the ancient caliber (except in the Finnish terrain according to our brilliant military planners). The officers that I trained with were of the view that the current Russian standard issue can reach better accuracy with its superior ammo type. And if you put a scope on it, which is the case with russians in PR at least, the inferior sight radius is not an issue.

Right now, my impression is that the performance gap between (non-scoped) ak 74 vs most 5.56 weapons is too wide, and especially on maps with militia its just frustrating because the blufor already get so many advantages.

[Murphy]

I often prefer Iron sights in PR, they are less cluttered (mostly) and give you the best field of vision while still looking down the rifle. In reality our eyes can adjust focus and that makes acquiring a target easier at ranges above 100 meters then we can in-game. Everyone was up in arms about losing binoculars because they made up for the lack of focus our ingame selves do not have. Arma has the right click to zoom in, which is an alright solution that still kind of sucks when you have post processing effects like "depth of field" and "BLOOM BLOOM BLOOM LOOKS SO REAL!". As it stands just realize that the guy you are shooting at probably only sees a few pixels and is going through the same issues you are (unless he has optics in which case you are probably boned, because the M16A4 is a freaking lazer rifle since 1.0).

[Henrique_Dalben]

(Argentina is pretty much a country against firearms, unlike north america)

When i took a trip to Argentina they almost didn't bother to ask for ID at the gun range(and i'm not even a citizen). Where the fuck in Argentina do you live?

Now, i can't say how it is while being shot at, but normally shooting at 200-300 yards is pretty easy. Not even close to being a 1/1000 hit chance at 300 yards like in PR. And if "combat stress" throws rounds THAT off, better training and less pussified soldiers should be "simulated" in PR. I've seen cops running ops in favelas over here firing a FN MAG from a helicopter without a bipod (resting it on a rope on the side of a huey) and hitting a guy inside a moving car in the middle of traffic in a residential area without a single civilian injured.

[camo]

I've seen cops running ops in favelas over here firing a FN MAG from a helicopter without a bipod (resting it on a rope on the side of a huey) and hitting a guy inside a moving car in the middle of traffic in a residential area without a single civilian injured.

Yeah but that's BOPE, those guys are insane. Bring it back down to infantry training not special forces police stuff.

[SShadowFox]

That was not BOPE, and wasn't really as accurate as Henrique mentioned, but yeah, didn't kill any civilian.

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(at some points you can see bullet impacts close to some civilians)

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No, the machine-gun is not attached to the FLIR system, unfortunately.

Back to topic:

I didn't play 1.0 yet, and don't think I'll do it anytime soon, but they said that deviation would be fixed, and back on 0.98 it wasn't really hard to hit a long range target with an M16/M4, if it's hard to hit now, then someone screwed things up.

[ComradeHX]

The loose tolerances is why the AK rifles are so reliable. It is the same for early Colt 1911.

It means it has lots of spaces or chunky parts for dirt and **** to get into and around, and still allow the action to function. But if you pic up a new 1911 that is built for competition, the tolerances are very tight, very accurate, little room in the design for variances. Any dust in it will cause failures.

The space is part of design; not caused by loose tolerance. Many parts are needlessly machined back on early AKs. Romanian AK would actually have loose tolerance.

The AK is not an MOA rifle. The AR platform rifle is consistently out of the box an MOA to sub-MOA shooter.

Can an AK-47 be made to be more accurate, yes.

Can an AR based rifle be made to be more accurate than the

M16 service rifles are not exactly tight tolerance either...

And there is a big difference in gas system.

[Ca6e]

The space is part of design; not caused by loose tolerance. Many parts are needlessly machined back on early AKs. Romanian AK would actually have loose tolerance.




M16 service rifles are not exactly tight tolerance either...

And there is a big difference in gas system.

Its not because of that! Ak47,74 have a lot less parts then m16 or m4,its because of the system, gas chamber system, which in basic is impossible to stuck, like a M16 with the spring system who can get filled with dirt and cause a malfunction, of loading a bullet into barrel, called jam.



Buti think that deviation, and accuracy is good now, u just need to settle down a bit.